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Posted on 06-26-19 08:54:30 PM Link | Quote
Since I've switched to using Pale Moon full time and LastPass doesn't have a current XUL version, anyone have any recommendations for a password manager?

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Posted on 06-26-19 08:58:03 PM Link | Quote
To start, I would recommend never storing passwords on someone else's computer (the cloud).

As for password management software (not an extension), KeePassXC works the best for me. Good interface, mobile-compatible, stores everything in a protected file. When you copy a password, it'll disappear from your clipboard after around 10 seconds so it's not just lingering.

I used to store my password in Google and Firefox's sync services but that just meant if my Google account's security was to be breached, I'd lose all my accounts with it.
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Posted on 06-26-19 11:53:13 PM Link | Quote
Checking out KeePassXC, do you use any browser extensions with it?

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Posted on 06-26-19 11:57:49 PM Link | Quote
I don't use any browser extensions regarding passwords. in fact I have password saving disabled on my browser, though I do keep myself logged in for convenience

in terms of extensions, uBlock Origin is the best adblocker I guess
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Posted on 06-27-19 02:22:00 AM Link | Quote
why do you want something that's specifically a browser extension?

if you want something that'll automatically plug your stuff into a browser, vanilla KeePass2 (wouldn't know about KeePassXC) can do that (called Auto-Type, i think). but i also don't think it's necessarily a very good idea unless you understand the nature of the security risks and how to keep your eyes out for phishing.

really i think the best thing for most people is to copy+paste and have it auto-clear the clipboard

(other than typing manually every time, but if you're like me you have 400 million passwords and they're all pretty difficult and time-consuming to type and harder to remember)

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Posted on 06-27-19 02:35:54 AM Link | Quote
There's always the spectrum between security and convenience, and it's all up to the user where they lie. Full convenience would be a cloud password manager, full security would be memorizing them. I think one of the KeePass variations is a safe middle-ground.
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Posted on 06-27-19 03:02:59 AM Link | Quote
I was asking about browser extensions because they came up when I was researching KeePassXC, but they don't seem worth it now.

Auto-Type inputs your username and password by sending keypresses when you activate it from the menu (or through a global hotkey if it recognizes the url and/or title bar), so it doesn't carry the risk that autofill has. It's probably still not as safe as pasting and auto-clearing but if it works properly it's more convenient than having to bring up the window every time you input a password (at least KeePassXC can minimize to the system tray).

The biggest advantage to a password manager IMO is the ability to create strong passwords without having to memorize them, and to keep many different passwords rather than using the same or similar ones which can be a big risk if one site you're using is hacked or breached.

I'm also big on privacy so I don't stay logged in and clear everything when I close Pale Moon.

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Posted on 06-28-19 01:03:37 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Rambly
but i also don't think it's necessarily a very good idea unless you understand the nature of the security risks and how to keep your eyes out for phishing.



I've got to disagree here. I think not having your password manager integrated with your browser makes you an easier phishing target. Observe:

Scenario A: Alice uses a password manager with a browser extension enabled. She goes to her favorite website, consoto.com, every day and lets the password manager remember the password for her. It also associates the password with consoto.com. One day, she receives a link from consanto.com, and tries to have her extension log in for her. It does not recognize the site, and so does not log her in. Confused, she looks for an answer and realizes she's being phished.

Scenario B: Bob uses an offline password manager that does integrate with his browser. He visits his favorite website, consoto.com, every day, and manually pastes the password into the browser when he wants to log in. One day, he receives a link from consanto.com, and pastes his password. Of course, it doens't work, and he soon realizes he's been phished, but maybe something happened before he could change his password, and now his account is compromised.

So I guess my point is: Browser extension seem a bit odd on the surface because they autofill for you, but really since they are harder to trick than you are, it's actually beneficial to use them.

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Posted on 06-28-19 02:02:48 AM Link | Quote
good point. though it should be easy for an internet user to avoid phishing in the first place. as for grandparents or otherwise inexperienced people, they might fall for it, yeah
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Posted on 07-13-19 06:39:19 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tierage


To start, I would recommend never storing passwords on someone else's computer (the cloud).



Why is that? If you do not mind me asking.


Originally posted by Tierage


I used to store my password in Google and Firefox's sync services but that just meant if my Google account's security was to be breached, I'd lose all my accounts with it.



The probability of these getting breached is between very low to zero. Could it be just me who is under this impression?
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Posted on 02-19-22 05:53:44 PM Link | Quote
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for the past couple years i've been using Bitwarden for my passwords. it's really nice. it encrypts and decrypts client-side with your master password, and you can login anywhere through its web client. you can even self-host it if you're that paranoid.

the password generator is nice, it integrates well with iOS and Android, and like KeePass, you can sort logins into groups, as well as set up which URIs it will suggest the password on, even down to the match detection. i like it

i stopped using KeePassXC because i couldn't stand syncing the database file between my devices, and eventually just started putting it in my google drive after a while, which kinda defeated my original purpose (cloud bad!)

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Posted on 02-19-22 05:56:27 PM Link | Quote
I'll check that out (and absolutely will self-host), but I haven't needed a password manager so far because I tend not to have a whole ton of accounts.

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Posted on 02-19-22 05:57:38 PM Link | Quote
Level 51 1002532 EXP
i got over 200 logins in my vault

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Posted on 02-19-22 06:13:24 PM Link | Quote
Jeez. I can't think of any more than 20 things I've ever registered for.

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Posted on 02-19-22 06:50:29 PM (last edited by Kaj at 02-20-22 04:43:14 AM) Link | Quote
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well let's scroll through it... online stores, art and social websites that i mostly haven't used in forever, music-related, more stores, a bunch of misc FTP logins and emails, game logins, healthcare/insurance/government/bank/other bullshit websites for grown ups, more game sites, domain registrars, streaming services (i don't pay for em. i only leech em off other ppl), some more forums...

i got a lot of confidence in these considering none of the passwords are used more than once. as big a privacy concern is by having accepting all these privacy policies, they've most definitely done a terrible job triangulating who i am, concerning how many personality changes i go through on a seasonal basis.

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Posted on 02-19-22 06:54:20 PM Link | Quote
One good thing about being consistently inconsistent, I guess.

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Posted on 02-20-22 04:43:35 AM Link | Quote
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i'm going to delete most of these accounts because i'm paranoid about my billing information possibly sitting in the open on one of them

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Posted on 02-20-22 05:08:30 AM Link | Quote
Yeah, probably a good idea. Let alone any other potentially identifying info.

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line 987 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 987 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 998 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 1138 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 1138 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 1139 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 1149 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 1166 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 1166 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 1166 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 1175 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 1180 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 149 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 1160 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 1163 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 206 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 236 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 351 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 386 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 449 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 491 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 659 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 796 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 823 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 976 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 1003 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 1154 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 273 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
Lobby your company to join the W3C: http://www.w3.org/Consortium

Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md