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Posted on 12-21-21 02:43:02 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shining Wing
Originally posted by tactical-waffle
how do you personally define a sandwhich (and of course please argue about this with everyone else)

personally i think its a non-bread filling surounded by bread on more then one side with one or more sides exposed to the air

Okay I have to argue with the original post, if a sandwich has to have a non-bread filling, then the toast sandwich wouldn't count as a sandwich, and would you really say that the toast sandwich isn't a sandwich?


yes i maintain that a toast sandwich isnt a sandwich

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Posted on 12-21-21 02:10:13 PM Link | Quote
destroy sandwiches

nonword that rejected the humanity of itself as a meal, devouring the context and meanings and essence of all meals it consumes onto its concept, giving back but its empty husk

how many meals has sandwich sucked away to sustain itself

how many breads have you eaten in your life

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Posted on 12-21-21 04:31:03 PM (last edited by sofi at 12-21-21 04:34:34 PM) Link | Quote

Originally posted by Nanashi
destroy sandwiches

nonword that rejected the humanity of itself as a meal, devouring the context and meanings and essence of all meals it consumes onto its concept, giving back but its empty husk

how many meals has sandwich sucked away to sustain itself

how many breads have you eaten in your life

this is exactly the point i am making, thank you nanashi.

sandwiches are a part of the superstructure. like many other things, sandwiches play but a role in the prison of consumer society. furthermore sandwiches are actively constructed in society through a series of performances. a sandwich is never concretely defined but continuously negotiated. when someone assembles ingredients and declares it a sandwich, they are engaging in a discourse that has no actual empirical ontology but exists merely to appease sandwich desiring-machines in our society of control.

beware of sandwiches.

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Posted on 12-21-21 05:50:20 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Joe
Originally posted by Lunaria
Okay but, a pizza and a pie are not actually related in the food hierarchy. Given that pizza is an extension of flat breads...

You've never heard anyone call it a pizza pie?

...come to think of it, this might more be a regional thing. I think in some places of the US there are some more pie like dishes that are named pizza?

But the usual pizza around the world is generally very flat and would be considered a type of flat bread, not a type of pie.

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Posted on 12-22-21 02:51:51 AM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Lunaria
Originally posted by Joe
Originally posted by Lunaria
Okay but, a pizza and a pie are not actually related in the food hierarchy. Given that pizza is an extension of flat breads...

You've never heard anyone call it a pizza pie?

...come to think of it, this might more be a regional thing. I think in some places of the US there are some more pie like dishes that are named pizza?

But the usual pizza around the world is generally very flat and would be considered a type of flat bread, not a type of pie.


if any of you also think gender is socially constructed, then you have to accept that the definition of sandwich is also socially constructed. i think you need to be asking why we have to define and categorise things as sandwiches and not-sandwiches rather than trying to apply these categories, which are incredibly poorly defined and vary even within different regions of one country, as authoritative across every cuisine and culture. the 'sandwich distinction' reflects the way knowledge is formed in every part of our society/societies.

like i said before, perhaps in some more vague terms, the term 'sandwich' only exists to sell you the idea of 'enjoying a sandwich'.

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Posted on 12-22-21 04:32:43 AM (last edited by Bloodstar at 12-22-21 04:32:55 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Lunaria
Originally posted by Joe
Originally posted by Lunaria
Okay but, a pizza and a pie are not actually related in the food hierarchy. Given that pizza is an extension of flat breads...

You've never heard anyone call it a pizza pie?

...come to think of it, this might more be a regional thing. I think in some places of the US there are some more pie like dishes that are named pizza?

But the usual pizza around the world is generally very flat and would be considered a type of flat bread, not a type of pie.


I would say deep dish (Chicago-style) pizza is at least bordering on pie

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Posted on 12-22-21 02:04:15 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by sofi
if any of you also think gender is socially constructed, then you have to accept that the definition of sandwich is also socially constructed. i think you need to be asking why we have to define and categorise things as sandwiches and not-sandwiches rather than trying to apply these categories, which are incredibly poorly defined and vary even within different regions of one country, as authoritative across every cuisine and culture. the 'sandwich distinction' reflects the way knowledge is formed in every part of our society/societies.

like i said before, perhaps in some more vague terms, the term 'sandwich' only exists to sell you the idea of 'enjoying a sandwich'.

Memes aside, this is pretty much how I feel about it.

It's all fun and games to probe the boundaries of our definitions of different concepts, whether they be sandwiches, pies, gender, or humanity ("behold, a man!"), but it has to come from an understanding that we can play game this became because there is no one true definition of these things. Any attempt to set rigid boundaries will include some undesirable things and exclude some desirable things, and what constitutes as "desirable" and "undesirable" will never be fully agreed upon in the first place.

Beyond that, these categories vary considerably and may not exist within different societies and cultures. Why should we all agree on what is or is not a sandwich when not everyone even has a word for it? Why should American definitions or definitions in English hold any more weight than others, and why should we seek to impose these classifications on food or objects that exist outside of its culture?

In other words, perhaps sandwiches are merely a tool of imperialism.

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