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Posted on 06-11-21 04:19:28 AM Link
I asked in the Discord, "is it really okay to say that one minor personal choice determines the whole of a person's character?"

The answer I got was "yes, it does."

"It's about what he's donating to" you might say. But that missed the point of the question. The answer hurt me, because that question was not just directed at the Scott Cawthon situation, it was largely a referendum for the discussion. The answer being "yes" means that, by the logic that was demonstrated, racism, heterophobia, levels of abuse, hate, and so many other negative qualities that this community stands against are wholly acceptable so long as they lined up with perceived ideological goals.

Would this forum's moderators allow someone to pass judgments of similar caliber against them? That someone could say their support of the LGBTQ+ movement means that they must also be in support of paedophilia, zoophilia, racism, heterophobia, among other incredibly dumb claims? I would hope the answer was "no", and I expect that the answer to that is "no", but I can't accept "no". Not with the logic that was demonstrated in front of me. The answer was "yes", and it stands regardless of anything that could be presented to the contrary.

It was a very Twitter-esque answer, which is shocking considering just how much this place seems to hate Twitter explicitly for those kinds of poor quality answers, yet accepts something that is just as bad if not effectively worse in Mastodon. Yet, the answer still stands. One's personal choices in one specific area, no matter the scale of their involvement, or personal responsibility, means that they must be compromised regardless of any evidence of character, context, or circumstance. No matter what.

There is one moment that I can think of in history that followed that answer to a scary degree. It was a choice made by a certain fascist leader known as Adolf Hitler, and it involved the imprisonment and execution of many Jewish people. What was the reason for it? They were compromised, and there was nothing else to be said. Anybody who sympathized with the Jews was just as guilty.

There's a number of counters that you, reader, can probably think of as to "BTFO" of my point. I don't expect anybody who reads this to do anything but defend their position, nor do I even expect that this post this will even last very long before it is deleted in some form. I only want to say that the answer to that question was still "yes", despite every bit of nuance I introduced into the discussion, every question I asked of others' perceptions of it as well.

Me being kicked from it confirmed that as far as this community is concerned, it is okay to think that the answer to my question is and always will be "yes". It will be "yes" so long as it is considered okay to abuse others on that logic alone.
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Posted on 06-11-21 04:20:55 AM (last edited by Syovere at 06-11-21 04:22:53 AM) Link
You were flagrantly disregarding anything the rest of us said and just repeating yourself in a disingenuous manner. Fuck off with your Hitler nonsense.

I'd argue further, but you already made it clear that you don't actually care what anyone else says.
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Posted on 06-11-21 04:23:42 AM Link
lol

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:24:28 AM Link
to quote a meme i saw on twitter earlier: a dumb hill to die on, but at least you're dead

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:25:13 AM Link
Originally posted by Fuzn
Would this forum's moderators allow someone to pass judgments of similar caliber against them? That someone could say their support of the LGBTQ+ movement means that they must also be in support of paedophilia, zoophilia, racism, heterophobia, among other incredibly dumb claims?



i would simply not donate to someone that supported such things, hth

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:26:51 AM Link
Imagine being the person who defends someone who donates eye watering amounts of money to a political group that is trying to illegalise and kill trans people and then pass it off as a "minor personal choice"
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Posted on 06-11-21 04:29:51 AM Link
for those who are unaware deputy dipshit here is defending scott cawthon, creator of five nights at freddy's, who donated a very large sum of money to various republicans, because. uh. i don't know why, i guess saying "supporting republicans like that makes you a garbage human" is bad or something.

for shits and giggles, one of these 2020 (maximum allowable) donations went to tommy tuberville, a potato-brained dipshit:
Objections to the 2020 U.S. presidential election
After taking office in January 2021, Tuberville joined a group of Republican senators who announced they would formally object to counting electoral votes won by Democratic president-elect Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election. The objections were part of a continued effort by Trump and his allies to overturn his defeat in the election.


get out

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:30:03 AM (last edited by Syovere at 06-11-21 04:34:34 AM) Link
y'know what, I am going to elaborate, because this incredible stupidity deserves a proper shutdown.

We're talking about someone who gave the maximum legal donation to multiple prominent republicans. There is no ambiguity here, he supports them.

So, yes, I will continue to believe he supports all of their policies, including the flagrant anti-LGBT+ ones, until such time as he speaks against them.

Your attempt to compare LGTBQ people to paedophiles is absolute trash, and comparing our criticism of someone's active financial support of the increasingly-fascist GOP to Hitler should, frankly, result in your permanent removal from this community.

Also, I'm trans and there's several other LGBT people in this community, so we're also talking about you downplaying someone contributing five-digit sums to a party that doesn't want us to exist. A simple "fuck off" is no longer sufficient for this offensive stupidity.
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Posted on 06-11-21 04:31:24 AM (last edited by Xkeeper at 06-11-21 04:31:47 AM) Link
imagine defending someone dropping over twenty thousand united states of america dollars (that is two zero zero zero zero you ess dee) on the party of regression and racism as "but everyone has donation histories"

like fucklenut that's more than some people's yearly income as full-time workers

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:34:32 AM Link
like i could understand maybe calling it a misjudgement of character if this was something they did years ago and then never did again, but as that link shows said dipshit was still pissing away money on brainworm-infested potato-for-brains idiots as of last year

as for "not putting words in people's mouths" (an argument that was shat out on discord that you are now banned from): actions speak louder than words, pal

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:36:31 AM Link
I asked in the Discord, "is it really okay to say that one minor personal choice determines the whole of a person's character?"

The answer I got was "yes, it does."

"It's about what he's donating to"


i am donating three dollars to the permanently remove this clown from the community fund, but thankfully my true stance on the issues is still a mystery, because i guess we just ignore this evidence for some reason

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:37:29 AM Link
you picked a nice day to be a dipshit because i'm drunk for the first time in thirteen years and i'm giving you a chance to respond to this instead of just outright banning you


p.s. there's a reason bringing up hitler got codified into godwin's law, you should go read up on that one

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:38:32 AM Link
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lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll he really named the thread "five nights at wrongthink" holy fuck

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:39:14 AM Link
Originally posted by plushifoxed
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll he really named the thread "five nights at wrongthink" holy fuck


im not sure how they managed to maneuver their cranium that far up their rectum but by god they did

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:41:47 AM Link
Originally posted by plushifoxed
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll he really named the thread "five nights at wrongthink" holy fuck

yea really gives off a 'muh free speech' vibe

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:45:32 AM (last edited by Bunnyratto at 06-11-21 04:46:32 AM) Link
At least it wasn't "Five Nights at Auschwitz" though.

But since he brought up the Nazi comparisons, Scott's donating to a party that uses many Nazi slogans and tactics ("America First" from pro-nazi Americans, "Lügenpresse" aka fake news, ect) and doing their thing of trying to dehumanize minorities, legislate them out of existence, scapegoats foreigners to rally hateful white people, pardoned a guy who in his own words tried running concentration camps for immigrants, spreads antisemetic conspiracies (the "globalists", The Jewish Space Lasers) and openly embraces white supremacy.

It's not far from using the "but the nazis!" defence to support giving a guy a pass for supporting the nazis.
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Posted on 06-11-21 04:46:48 AM Link
Roxie
just. my man. my dude.
my buddy.
my guy.

you came into the middle of a conversation and started shouting the same three reductive arguments at everyone over and over. nobody had to entertain your tedious nonsense for as long as they did; we were waiting to see if you could come up with anything more compelling than "but maybe he did it accidentally! maybe he just doesnt understand the weight of his actions! you cant see into his head!" over and over

but, truly, you did not. and then you did this.
don't let the door hitcha on the way out.


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Posted on 06-11-21 04:48:10 AM Link
im so drunk i didnt realize the donation list page scrolled down, my 20000 figure is off by a factor of two or so

but it's okay guys, clearly this does not say anything about scott's politics or anything, we're all just mean

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:51:27 AM Link
if you support republicans you're a bad person

that's just how it is

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Posted on 06-11-21 04:55:15 AM Link

like this whole forum is ran, populated, maintained and built by lgbt type people, what did u think they'd say about it? The people he donated to are mostly an all star cast people who explicitly put work in to make LGBT go away... like not even 5 years back they were wrestling with gay marriage being legalízed despite the whole marriage thing being such an entrenched legal status that the religious aspect of it was tertiary at best. Hell some of them are still going on about it.

Could've just been some random republicans and it'd be like, "aight whatever, sux but guy can have his opinions", but these are the people who are explicit in what they're doing and how they're doing it and who they're doing it to.

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line 765 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 745 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 217 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 294 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md