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Posted on 12-17-20 08:54:07 PM Link | Quote
I've been seeing this game being sold a lot on eBay for the last few days, and it's been catching my eye. I have Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga for the 3DS, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team for the 3DS, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story for the 3DS, and I have Mario & Luigi: Partners In Time emulated for the PC.

I'm getting paid next Wednesday, I wanna make a good investment on this game, I hope you fellas can gimme some honest feedback, thanks.

Another 3DS game I've been having my eye on is Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars.
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Posted on 12-17-20 09:09:50 PM Link | Quote
Okay so, Paper Jam is a pretty mixed bag, so it might take a while to get into. It's a game I did finish, but one I regret purchasing heavily.

For some perspective on my views though, I think Dream Team is some of the best in the series in regards to combat and overworld, but it completely ruins a lot of that by having forced tutorials rammed into your face for the entire duration of the game, and not even short ones, they are really long and time consuming even for really basic concepts. So while I think Dream Team is really good in many ways, it has like, one big stinking issue that kinda ruins replaying it and have ruined playing it the first time for my partner.


Paper Jam though? Is an entirely different beast. It cuts back on the tutorializing a little bit over Dream Team, which is very good. It retains the same quality in the combat though, it has really good combat for the duration of the game. The problem and elephant in the room though, is that everything else about the game just fucking stinks.

I assume it was corporate nintendo pushing it, but the entire game's world design and aesthetic choices are on brand New Super Mario Brothers stuff, including what enemy designs are allowed to show up, and the bad guys around is just bowser, bowser jr, and the koopa kids. Now, I don't *mind* those characters, but there is no substance to anything in the narrative in this one, and especially considering the landscape of the mario brand as a whole it just kinda sucks that they forced this aesthetic.

Now, if it was only the aesthetic and story being mediocre and the combat being good, it might be bearable. But the overworld navigation, exploration, and just what you do most of the time outside of battles.... kinda sucks too? It's the most "minigame-y" of the entire series in that regard, and the narrative justification and reasoning for most of it in-game just kinda sucks too? Some of the stuff is legit that you're playing hide and seek with toads. Oh yeah, and because of [brand] standardization, most NPCs around are just going to be generic toads too.

So to me Paper Jam is a very flawed game with only one redeeming quality: the very good combat gameplay. If you think that's enough to carry the entire game for you, then go ahead, otherwise I recommend against the title.


Also, on a personal note, I feel that stories in RPGs can be pretty important, Nintendo realized this when they made SMRPG, so instead of going with a generic "peach gets kidnapped, you have to save her plot", they completely subverted that in literally every way by the midpoint of the game when bowser joins your party. So it's kind of a shame to me that we have fallen this far when it comes to narrative ideas. I can't even say that the game does anything interesting with the premise or delivers it well, it's just there. It's kinda sad when you have the concept of "Paper Mario world mashed up with the Mario & Luigi world", and this is the mediocre mess that it turned up. There is so many interesting and cool ideas that they could have explored, but they just didn't, it's all surface level, you have two copies of the same villain and nothing interesting is done with that, it plays out exactly as you'd expect it to.

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Posted on 12-17-20 10:26:18 PM Link | Quote
Lunaria gave a pretty good summary of it, so I'll just add to that a bit.

If you want a clever story or world building, this game won't do much for you. Paper Jam mainly focusing on how the paper world and "real" world differ by contrasting how they each represent aspects of the core Mario universe's characters. You won't get any cool cameos from past games, but you will get to see what happens when two versions of Bowser meet and kidnap two versions of Peach.

However, if you want neat combat action, you'll probably enjoy it. Paper Mario's attributes spice up the combat in neat ways. And, like with the story, the combat focuses on contrasting different versions of the same enemies. Paper Goombas will attack differently than regular Goombas, and the game often mixes these types together to keep you on your toes.


I personally enjoyed the game despite its flaws. Of course, I also enjoyed Sticker Star for what it was, so make of that what you will.

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Posted on 12-23-20 01:44:47 AM Link | Quote
imo you would probably get more out of a bowsers inside story replay than paper jam

both posts above sum up my feelings on it, though I didn't regret buying it necessarily
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Posted on 12-27-20 10:24:32 AM Link | Quote
Paper Jam was the first and only Mario & Luigi game that I played but did not finish. I couldn't get past the 2nd world, I think. It just didn't capture my attention like the others. I don't remember in detail why I didn't like it, but I would definitely suggest looking at more reviews before buying it if you're still not sure.
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Posted on 01-02-21 08:26:24 PM Link | Quote
Thanks for the feedback, everybody.

I've been looking at the price ranges on eBay for this game and $40.00 USD is kinda steep for me, I'll most likely get it when the price lowers a whole lot.
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