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Posted on 10-29-20 04:36:53 PM Link | Quote


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Originally posted by RanAS
Seems like Star Light in particular is proving to be more troublesome to the neural network. I wonder if it's getting it confused with Labyrinth, or if that's just more difficult to decode overall?

It's definitely "confusing" it with the underwater sections of Labyrinth, which have similar colors. But in general, a problem of autoencoders is blurry output, because the cheap solution to "get as close to these images as possible" is to simply produce a blurry mess (a "pixel porridge" as my friend called it) that's sort-of inbetween all of them. I'll be exploring some solutions to this problem but most of them are alleviated by using GANs, or generative adversarial networks, which have been oh-so-popular recently (if you've seen this cat does not exist or similar, those have been generated by GANs). They'll be the next thing I'll be learning, probably.

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Posted on 10-29-20 05:00:16 PM Link | Quote
This makes me wonder what would happen if you fed it a ton of screenshots between Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, since the two games are extremely visually similar yet have some unique distinctive features (sometimes)...

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
This makes me wonder what would happen if you fed it a ton of screenshots between Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, since the two games are extremely visually similar yet have some unique distinctive features (sometimes)...

So I would love to make more experiments like this, but there's one issue I've ran into. In order to train a network, a big and varied data set is required. For my S1/S2 classifier, I used 40k screenshots captured from ~15 videos, including some TASes and longplays. That's decent enough data for a classifier. It comes from videos, so it's not pixel quality, but that's actually perfectly acceptable for a classifier. In fact, you have seen that I have augmented the images to be even more cropped and blurry so that the network would learn better.

However, if I want to do more generative art, I need a better dataset than videos, which suffer from compression artifacts, because I want the network to learn and emulate the actual pixel art. Now, there are TAS movie files, which would be perfect for this purpose, with one hitch... TASes have the explicit goal of beating the game as fast as possible, while for machine learning you want as much footage of the game as possible, and those two goals are at odds.

So I've started looking for a collection of movie files that are not TASes or speedruns (and asked this question on the TASVideos forum). I'll definitely need to get ahold of multiple playthrough movie files by various people for each game I want to work with.

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You can always use the raw input files rather than the outputted videos, too.

But for something like that it sounds like just having some people record input videos of their playthroughs would work? Would take a while but with the proper setup/instructions you might be able to do a little crowdsourcing

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
You can always use the raw input files rather than the outputted videos, too.

Movie files are technically "temporal" data which requires some techniques I haven't learned but, for sure, would be interesting. i'm also though thinking of working with RAM in some way, such as have the network predict the next frame's RAM, which could result in novel ways to "corrupt" or "deepdream" a game. Having many movie files of normal gameplay would be really helpful here.

But for something like that it sounds like just having some people record input videos of their playthroughs would work? Would take a while but with the proper setup/instructions you might be able to do a little crowdsourcing

For sure. Incidentally, who wants to play some Sonic?

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I was thinking more you'd use them to create screenshots or short videos, rather than playing back directly.

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Posted on 10-29-20 06:00:37 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Sanqui
For sure. Incidentally, who wants to play some Sonic?



Build a neural network that plays sonic so you can export images for your neural network that identifies sonic.

For real though, this is really cool, I'm excited to see more stuff from it.

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Originally posted by Sanqui
For sure. Incidentally, who wants to play some Sonic?

if you just need someone who can play casually i can do that, no guarantee of getting emeralds though

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Originally posted by DarkWitchClaire
Originally posted by Sanqui
For sure. Incidentally, who wants to play some Sonic?

if you just need someone who can play casually i can do that, no guarantee of getting emeralds though

The only reason I haven't taken you up on this offer is because I can't decide on which revision of Sonic 1 to use. I don't expect to figure that out soon so please choose yourself. Either the US version or the Japanese one (with the parallax backgrounds) will do

No need for the good ending, I desire deeply average gameplay. Use Gens rerecording please.

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Posted on 11-21-20 09:32:26 PM Link | Quote

Guess he really is a blue blur now.

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line 505 column 102 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 505 column 102 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 505 column 145 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 505 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 506 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 506 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 506 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 506 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 507 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 517 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 554 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 554 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 554 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 554 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 555 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 565 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 581 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 581 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 581 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 590 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 595 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 190 column 18 - Warning: trimming empty <b>
line 265 column 18 - Warning: trimming empty <b>
line 346 column 18 - Warning: trimming empty <b>
line 483 column 18 - Warning: trimming empty <b>
line 535 column 18 - Warning: trimming empty <b>
line 575 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 226 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 252 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 305 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 333 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 385 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 411 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 413 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 442 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 470 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 522 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 570 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 307 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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