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Posted on 12-06-07 04:22:01 PM Link | Quote
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Sorry for the hiatus, but I got promoted at my job and work a lot more than before. The only time I could find for anything video-game related was to play Super Mario Galaxy...

And please don't use this thread to ask "When will you...?" (actually just don't ask, even in another thread)

Now, about that Peachy 64 project.

I'm sorry to again sound like a pessimist, but doing a proper replacement of Mario with Peach will require much more than just "fixing the animations". Super Mario 64 is not very modular and flexible, it's a hack job in itself, since it was developed at the same time as the n64 hardware and software libraries. You'd have much more luck with SM64 DS (but yeah I know... it wouldn't be the same).

Before anything, there's a big problem: the MIO0 bank containing Peach is only available in the Castle Grounds level. Even if you did manage to fix the animations, the game would crash in any other level. There's not enough RAM left in most levels to load the Peach bank anyway, and we have to keep Mario's bank (which is very big) available, since it contain a lot of stuff used for sparkles, water effect, explosions and other particles. Maybe it would be possible to remove only Mario's geometry from this bank to make place for the Peach bank, but it won't be necessarily easy.

As for fixing the animation, it's not a simple matter of changing a 0x27 pointer like when I changed a Goomba into MIPS as Mario doesn't use the same animation system than the rest of characters.

What could be done is swapping body parts in Mario's geometry layout with those of Peach.

Please refer to this other thread for more details. http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=443

Here are the deconstructed geometry layout data for Mario and Peach:
http://homepage.mac.com/qubedstudios/MarioGeoLayout.txt
http://homepage.mac.com/qubedstudios/PeachGeo.txt

If you apply the "high-poly Mario" hack, you would only have to edit the high-poly Mario versions.

The problem is that Mario and Peach don't have the same body structure. For one thing, Peach doesn't have legs and shoes. She has a pony tail, ear rings, a neck, articulated shoulders, all of which Mario doesn't have.

So you couldn't simply replace body parts, you'd have to modify the structure of the geometry layout data, which would change its size, and that would break all the jump commands pointers so you'd have to repoint everything. Also, you can't change the structure too much, or else the animation will break. The Mario animation system is dependent on a specific hierarchy of body parts for it to work.

If you guys are really dedicated, and ready to learn by experimentation, by yourselves instead of relying on me, you could do it. But I don't have time to help you very much. If I explained every little detail of how you could do it, I would end up spending more time than if I tried to do it by myself. For now, the only time I can dedicate to SM64 hacking will be put into updating TT64.

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Posted on 12-07-07 04:06:12 AM (last edited by Matthew Coburn at 12-07-07 02:04 AM) Link | Quote
Thanks for the heads up on this, VL-Tone. The Glitch and I thank you for your post.

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Posted on 12-07-07 04:16:47 AM Link | Quote
Just throwing my opinion out there...

I think learning how to do things such as level editing, geometry editing, and such are more important than learning how to change Mario's model. When I start playing a hack, the determining factor of whether I continue playing it or not is the gameplay itself. Sure, if someone changed Mario into Peach but only made minor modficaations to the courses themselves, I might spend a few minutes running and jumping around a couple levels, but that would be all. I would much prefer to play a hack using Mario as the model but having substantial changes to the gameplay.

So to all of you out there who are working on modifying SM64, my suggestion would be to focus your energy on things like level design, be it by editing the geometry or simply by creating innovative ways to get stars with what's there already.

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Posted on 12-07-07 09:35:10 PM Link | Quote
I haven't heard much about replacing Mario with Peach, but now at least I have some more info on the subject. Thanks for posting again, VL-Tone! We've all really missed you.

And OoBurns, your layout sort of blends in with the text, and it's hard to read.
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Posted on 12-07-07 10:58:45 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by OoBurns
I think learning how to do things such as level editing, geometry editing, and such are more important than learning how to change Mario's model. When I start playing a hack, the determining factor of whether I continue playing it or not is the gameplay itself. Sure, if someone changed Mario into Peach but only made minor modficaations to the courses themselves, I might spend a few minutes running and jumping around a couple levels, but that would be all. I would much prefer to play a hack using Mario as the model but having substantial changes to the gameplay.

So to all of you out there who are working on modifying SM64, my suggestion would be to focus your energy on things like level design, be it by editing the geometry or simply by creating innovative ways to get stars with what's there already.

I agree.
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And OoBurns, your layout sort of blends in with the text, and it's hard to read.

OoBurns' layout seems pretty good to me. And you can change how his layout looks by clicking one of the links at the bottom, going back to this page at refreshing.
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Posted on 12-29-07 12:25:42 PM Link | Quote
Why dont we just wait a year then hack Super mario 64.
It would be alot funner than hacking the game with the tools we have.
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Posted on 12-29-07 05:21:35 PM Link | Quote
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Better yet, why not bust out the hex editor and start doing some of your own research? Many hands make light work.

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Posted on 12-30-07 08:21:02 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Better yet, why not bust out the hex editor and start doing some of your own research? Many hands make light work.

No a switch makes light work.
Anyway if you make peach the main charater how would she punch or kick like mario.
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Posted on 12-31-07 01:27:50 AM (last edited by Guy54123 at 12-30-07 10:29 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by vinnyboiler
Why dont we just wait a year then hack Super mario 64.
It would be alot funner than hacking the game with the tools we have.

"Hey, if we ignore our problems, maybe they'll just go away!"

Logic at its finest, here.

(also: A LOT MORE FUN. not ALOT FUNNER. !@#$%&* blech)

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could someone plz tell me where i can download the sm64 rom that will work with toads tool

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Posted on 01-05-08 12:43:42 AM (last edited by mortalkenshi2 at 01-04-08 10:00 PM) Link | Quote
oh i didnt read this, this exactly what i posted a little while ago... Wel vl-tone, a long time ago in the 3rd board i think there you had posted SOME of the yoshi geometry data. I was doing that before peach and i had lots of luck but then lost my computer. Have you gotten more of that, because that will be an easier task because yoshis only extra thing unlike peach is his tail which i have an idea on how to fix that.

i think that if i take one of marios parts like if i only use one part of his arm for yoshis WHOLE arm i can use that for example as his tail. thats an example only though but thats my idea.

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Originally posted by mortalkenshi2
oh i didnt read this, this exactly what i posted a little while ago... Wel vl-tone, a long time ago in the 3rd board i think there you had posted SOME of the yoshi geometry data. I was doing that before peach and i had lots of luck but then lost my computer. Have you gotten more of that, because that will be an easier task because yoshis only extra thing unlike peach is his tail which i have an idea on how to fix that.

i think that if i take one of marios parts like if i only use one part of his arm for yoshis WHOLE arm i can use that for example as his tail. thats an example only though but thats my idea.


It may be a little easier with Yoshi but not that much. The body part hierarchy is still too different. You forgot one difference, Yoshi has a moving jaw, Mario doesn't. There's still another problem which is that the Yoshi model is quite large and is only loaded in the Castle Grounds level.

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Posted on 01-06-08 06:58:36 AM Link | Quote
isn't peach just loaded in this level as well though?
or am i wrong here, if so correct me if i am wrong then

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Have you started the project yet VL-tone. If you have may i see some screenshots of your best attempt you made to the hack. That would be much appreciated thank you
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Posted on 01-13-08 04:49:46 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by vinnyboiler
Have you started the project yet VL-tone. If you have may i see some screenshots of your best attempt you made to the hack. That would be much appreciated thank you


He was talking about me Peachy64 hack. VL-Tone may do his own hack, but I'm sure he won't even start the project sometime soon.
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Posted on 01-13-08 05:43:10 PM Link | Quote
Why dont you make peach a texture and change Mario into that very texture.
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Posted on 01-13-08 08:12:09 PM Link | Quote
Because, uh, Mario isn't a texture. Mario is a model with very complex animation data and many textures.

It is not a copy-paste job.

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Yes. Just from what I've read moderating this forum, each model has its own geometry, and each piece of that geometry has a program which tells it how to move. This becomes very complex very quickly, and it appears the only feasible way to port one thing to another is to port all the geometry from one object to another.

This is ignoring anything which may depend on the object behaving like Mario and, say, not Peach, which may crash when it encounters the new object.

Basically, to reprogram that stuff, you have to reprogram a giant piece of the game--and know exactly what parts to reprogram.

Not happening easily, 'nuff said.

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Posted on 01-13-08 10:07:20 PM Link | Quote
Not happening easily, unless you know ASM! But even if it were possible to re-program the way the game handles animation for an object, something like that would take time. At least Peach has no legs to worry about...

But, I've noticed that when applying different graphics and the proper animation structure to Mario, the results aren't too bad. Without doubt the best way to change Mario into Peach is to modify his existing graphics but keep his animation the same, if possible.

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