Originally posted by Tarale

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There's never enough time for anything ughhhhhhhh

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Increasingly more true every year.

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CSS is smelly bum poo

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I'm pretty sure the canonical version is this:



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Originally posted by Peardian

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I have a confession. My layout uses HTML tables to position everything.

I once tried converting it to divs and CSS and stuff, but I couldn't get it to look exactly the same. I haven't bothered to try again.

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Also I'll be weird and say that I don't really care if someone uses tables? The modern "design ethos" seems to be framework/auto-generated layouts, and any time I open one of those up in an inspector they're far worse than tables ever were -- often times 20 or so <div>s deep, or even further. Especially in cases where tables would have made perfect sense...

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Originally posted by Rambly

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divs are situationally a little more useful I feel like (there's times when using a table feels like taking a machete to hedges). Like, when you just want a stylized little box like I've got here in my layout, I feel like divs are still the best at accomplishing that goal.

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<div>s are perfectly fine for that sort of thing, and it's an instance where a tabular layout would be an annoying mess; at best you have a functionally useless table for one cell, at worst you have 8 different cells surrounding one box, with basically no flexibility.

Originally posted by Rambly

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If you're actually trying to display something in a table format, though, with individual rows? Why not use tables. I get the importance of keeping content and style separate, and you can accomplish some gorgeous stuff with just CSS alone, but sometimes it gets pointless. Like, phpBB using divs for everything despite being displayed in a tabular format -- like, why. Forums are tabular. They'll literally be more coherent without CSS if you use tables. It's not like phpBB's HTML is very well-organized, either...

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I assume that part of the reason is that you can smoothly rearrange non-tables (even if you intend to make them look like tables), while actual tables are a lot less flexible. I think the larger underlying problem is just that "responsive design" has sort of become this... madness, almost? Even in places where it doesn't make sense, it's being shoved in because it's one of the latest buzzwords. (Though even then, you can make an argument that a forum isn't really "tabular", too.)

The worst instance is a website that has actual tabular data, with many columns ... and guess what! Because of the way they designed the site, the tables are completely unreadable on mobile, because the site tries to be responsive and ends up failing.

(On a side note, I absolutely loathe websites that disable any sort of scaling by the user! People who do this need to be smacked around.)

Originally posted by Rambly

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I guess I understand why these web design principles exist and they can lead to better flexibility and code that scans better

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The more modern problem now is that so much web content is automatically generated by frameworks and toolkits, and most of them don't have any sort of controls for accessibility. While the W3C exists and tends to at least follow some accessibility practices — which are, of course, optional to use, but at least if you're hand-writing stuff, you're in control — most frameworks are just done by some open source group with the only guideline being "easier to churn out crap" ... it's how you go from having meaningful class and element names (and even many semantic HTML elements, now!) to useless garbage like "gH" or "a-C3n", on a webpage that's 30+ <div>s deep (and laggy as hell, to boot).

The old adage was that you separated content from presentation, but it really feels like the modern 'net is even worse about that than the days of tables were.

Originally posted by Jamie

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Reposting since I accidentally the wrong thread.

Anyone else have people constantly judging you for the past actions and nothing else... I found out someone who was supposedly my friend made a channel in some Discord to circlejerk about me and 2016-2017, alongside some old friends of mine who I lost contact with at least over a year ago.

I literally held nothing against them, what gives them the right to this?

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I have some bad news — they don't need a right to do anything. If they want to be an asshole, there's not much you can do to stop them. Just punt them out of your life as best you can and move on.

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Originally posted by RanAS

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Generally, separating the CSS from the HTML (and making sure to keep the css file organized) makes it look better.

Though I will admit HTML5 is a bit inconsistent at times with stuff like this. Example: width="99" attributes are deprecated on everything except canvas, embed, iframe, img, input, object and video. And most of those require you to use the width="" attribute, rather than supporting {width: 99px;}.

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It makes sense, because on some level the canvas is less a styling issue and more a core part of that element. A table without styling will still be a table; a canvas without styling might be a 1×1 useless square, or whatever ... It makes some sense, I guess.

Originally posted by Dprotp

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so i bought a 2015 chevy bolt today*

spent 3 hours transferring items + a shoe a minor had assaulted me with 11 hours down south in san diego, as well as routing front and rear dash cam cables

i just ... need to find a place to charge it. fuckin apartments don't have an outlet and my office won't have my account approved for charging until midday monday

*what led to this was my current car's rear suspension getting even more shitty that the rear wheels lost traction on a simple left turn after driving over a manhole cover

i've self-taught myself how to counter-steer to work with this traction loss but it got to a point where i just ... would rather like to live i guess

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I'd consider a pure electric, but charging one is not really doable for me (apartment living, woohoo). Plus being able to actually drive long distances is nice, since I kind of live in the middle of fucking nowhere in terms of actual things to do.

40 MPG isn't the best any more, but it's still pretty good


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