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Posted on 12-30-07 11:09:59 PM Link | Quote
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html


Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing.

Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry's lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle.

Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

RIAA's hard-line position seems clear. Its Web site says: "If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing. You're breaking the law and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages."

They're not kidding. In October, after a trial in Minnesota -- the first time the industry has made its case before a federal jury -- Jammie Thomas was ordered to pay $220,000 to the big record companies. That's $9,250 for each of 24 songs she was accused of sharing online.
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Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. The industry's own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it "won't usually raise concerns," as long as you don't give away the music or lend it to anyone.

Of course, that's exactly what millions of people do every day. In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend. The RIAA cites a study that found that more than half of current college students download music and movies illegally.

The Howell case was not the first time the industry has argued that making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal. At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said.

But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording.

As technologies evolve, old media companies tend not to be the source of the innovation that allows them to survive. Even so, new technologies don't usually kill off old media: That's the good news for the recording industry, as for the TV, movie, newspaper and magazine businesses. But for those old media to survive, they must adapt, finding new business models and new, compelling content to offer.

The RIAA's legal crusade against its customers is a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed. Four years of a failed strategy has only "created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies," Beckerman says. "Every problem they're trying to solve is worse now than when they started."

The industry "will continue to bring lawsuits" against those who "ignore years of warnings," RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy said in a statement. "It's not our first choice, but it's a necessary part of the equation. There are consequences for breaking the law." And, perhaps, for firing up your computer.


I really don't know what to say.

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Posted on 12-30-07 11:14:38 PM Link | Quote
Yes, they've been saying that for quite a while.

Which is ridiculous. I mean, if I don't share my ripped music, what bad am I making? I paid for for the CD, I'm not giving it to anyone, let me do whatever I want.

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Posted on 12-30-07 11:18:03 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by DarkSlaya
Yes, they've been saying that for quite a while.

Which is ridiculous. I mean, if I don't share my ripped music, what bad am I making? I paid for for the CD, I'm not giving it to anyone, let me do whatever I want.

You horrible person! You're destroying music, and you know it!

Even if the famous bastions of sanity, the courts, allow this travesty, how would they enforce it? Every CD has programs that report back to the record companies? Didn't Sony try that and face huge outcry... I don't know if they'd try again. (Then again, why am I expecting the RIAA to be responsive to the people?)

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Posted on 12-30-07 11:21:18 PM (last edited by Xkeeper at 12-30-07 08:22 PM) Link | Quote
I think somebody forgot this lovely thing called fair use.

As with most of the RIAA's attempts to sue people in an actual court (and not just "GIVE US THIS CHECK AS A SETTLEMENT."), this will probably be thrown out pretty fast.

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Posted on 12-30-07 11:21:35 PM Link | Quote
Hi, RIAA, this is a MP3 player, it plays digital songs.

Now, I could rip them from a CD, but that is illegal!

So I will download them instead~ Weeeeeee~

--Someone Mocking Something

Yeah, they need to evolve quite a bit, look at iTunes, look at the popularty of DRM free music stores, look at youtube. They need to get out of the plastic age. :/

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Posted on 12-30-07 11:33:42 PM Link | Quote
Jul - Post #1987 - 12-30-07 06:33:42pm
So, is there anyone who hasn't copied a CD to their computer/MP3 player/Xbox 360/etc? Anyone at all?

Next step will be to make it illegal to badmouth the government.

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Posted on 12-30-07 11:34:31 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Next step will be to make it illegal to badmouth the government.

Uh... how is this the logical next step? I think you're taking this just a tad too far...

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Posted on 12-30-07 11:37:57 PM (last edited by HyperHacker at 12-30-07 08:38 PM) Link | Quote
Jul - Post #1989 - 12-30-07 06:37:57pm
First goes fair use, then freedom of speech, and so on... also, a good bit of exaggeration.

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Posted on 12-31-07 01:24:11 AM Link | Quote
If the recording industry's so strapped for cash, why don't they try suing something that actually has some, like companies that make MP3 players? Clearly, those scalawags are making a killing on devices that only exist to play pirated music! I bet Microsoft or Apple would be happy to give them some!

RIAA v. Microsoft

...hahaha. That would be fun to watch.

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Posted on 12-31-07 01:47:16 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Guy54123
RIAA v. Microsoft

...hahaha. That would be fun to watch.


And then, running out of stuff to sue, the RIAA would target the MPAA or itself.

...it's more likely than you think.


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Posted on 12-31-07 03:29:42 AM Link | Quote
With the increasing popularity of MP3 players and online music downloads, it's no wonder why the RIAA starts sueing people for something like "making unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings" even when they don't share the ripped music to other people.

The people at the RIAA are really starting to become pitiful these days .

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Posted on 12-31-07 05:36:59 AM Link | Quote
Jul - Post #1995 - 12-31-07 12:36:59am
That's kinda like saying the telephone is really starting to become popular these days.

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Posted on 12-31-07 06:29:41 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I think somebody forgot this lovely thing called fair use.

Fair use doesn't exist in the US anymore. DMCA and shit killed it.
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Posted on 12-31-07 06:37:27 AM Link | Quote
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You can't spell diarrhea without RIAA. DiaRIAA.

But yeah, it's times like this that make me glad that 99% of the music I listen to on my computer is:
- Stuff I made myself
- Stuff from video games
- Non-commercial stuff that is released with the intentions of it being free

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Posted on 12-31-07 10:26:13 AM Link | Quote
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Oh...RIAA...

When are they not suing someone to tie up the hole in themselves?

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Posted on 12-31-07 05:01:16 PM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Drag
You can't spell diarrhea without RIAA. DiaRIAA.
Or even diarrhea.

Hey, is it stealing if I download a song from one of those legal download sites, and my computer copies it into a temporary directory or RAM for whatever reason automatically?

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Posted on 12-31-07 06:03:55 PM Link | Quote
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Eventually, they'll try to drop someone on an MP3 they made of unlicensed music when they believe it's otherwise. That'll be a hoot when they fall into that trap.

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Posted on 12-31-07 06:56:47 PM Link | Quote
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I don't know why I put this here.
Sounds like the best thing to do is to lure them into a lawsuit over media the defendant legally owns (like, they own the rights) and then sue the RIAA for invasion of privacy (how else would they know you copied it to your computer for storage) as well as for the false trial.

Either way, I hope the RIAA dies a horrible death. At this rate, nobody is safe; what if playing music and having it send the music through an amp or some other form of audio amplification device could be considered stealing? What about using too many speakers and in a public place? Are those people unwillingly stealing the music?

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Posted on 12-31-07 09:32:53 PM Link | Quote
Keep in mind that lawyers aren't always stupid, and an organization like the RIAA wouldn't pay to have stupid lawyers on their staff. You guys need to look at both sides of the situation and not the biased point of view of the person who wrote that article.

Not that the RIAA is completely right, but the people they're suing aren't either. Sony, however, is stupid.

The facts are as such:
• You buy a CD, it's yours to do with as you please if you don't break the law.
• Copying the contents of a CD to your computer is legal as it does not violoate the Copyright Act.
• The Copyright Act specifically states that copied work must be redistributed to become an infringement.
• Sony and the RIAA are claiming that redistribution need not take place.
• The people they sue are most likely redistributing, though articles leave that part out.
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Posted on 12-31-07 09:36:51 PM Link | Quote
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...Not that the RIAA is completely right, but the people they're suing aren't either. Sony, however, is stupid. ...


At least you got 1 out of 3 right.

As far as I know, this article details a person who has made legal backups of his own music and is getting drilled for having it. Eventually, there's going to be a falling out on one side or the other and I have a feeling it'll be the RIAA since it'd be kind of wrong to invade every person that ever owned such a device that is borderline illegal with the boom these days. Even grandparents of ours are getting more tech-savvy...I'd hate to see an article similar to this on it.

Sony, by the way, doesn't need your help in telling them what they are or aren't.

There...gave you your two sides of an argument.


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