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Posted on 01-29-18 09:51:55 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kawaii-e
come to think of it.

The succesor boards are now longer in operation as the original.one was in use!


I never thought about that. I figured that applied to Jul, but I never thought about that when applied to Kafuka or Kuriboh64. Dang...
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Posted on 01-29-18 11:39:23 PM (last edited by Shadic at 01-29-18 11:40:03 PM) Link | Quote
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Posted on 01-30-18 10:01:00 AM Link | Quote
i've actually been trying to get my friends to post here, including my girlfriend, but most of them are just like "oh i hate forums" or "i don't really do forums anymore", which i feel like is really unfortunate...

i didn't really appreciate how active this place was until i looked at General Chat and saw that the first page only goes back to about a week ago. the only other forum i've really been a frequent poster on that's still alive has posts from several months ago in its most active forums

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Posted on 01-30-18 05:36:02 PM Link | Quote
To be fair, until about two weeks ago it had threads going back months.



"oh i hate forums" or "i don't really do forums anymore"

This is kind of ... sad, in a way. Especially if they're using the other main social sites. I mean, not entirely unexpected, but still...

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Posted on 01-31-18 10:16:27 AM Link | Quote


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Yeah I hear similar attitudes. "I don't know what I'd do on a forum."

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Posted on 01-31-18 12:42:58 PM Link | Quote
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Posted on 01-31-18 01:01:55 PM (last edited by Decoy Blimp at 01-31-18 01:02:46 PM) Link | Quote
I find that Acmlm style boards (layouts, ranks, syndromes, bio, etc) are far more interesting than most forums out there. Despite forums like these being way before my time (I wasn't even seven years old when the 3rd gen Acmlm died), I think it's definitely a lost art and I'd love to see boards like these get more activity. But alas, people have moved on to other things.
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Posted on 01-31-18 04:01:17 PM Link | Quote

My problem until a little while ago was that I felt most of the stuff I come up with would be below the bar of a "proper" forum. I feel like there has been a lower bar here in earlier years, but I can't say for certain and I don't know for other forums. (as I understand some people have been here since they were teens, and were not necessarily the most mature back then)

Some people could do with using a forum or at least a blog. I don't think I've ever found it pleasant to have to scroll though 30+ tweets, let alone 100+. All the text is bunched into maybe a third of the screen, and Twitter at least managed to make viewing a thread like walking a tightrope for clicking. At some point the person making the thread starts repeating themselves as well (admitting they're doing so) because they're bringing up stuff from several screens of scrolling and a couple of "view more" prompts ago. I'm not sure how many more of those I'm willing to sift through.

Glad to see the place liven up a little since I chose it as sort of an internet home.

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Posted on 01-31-18 04:19:43 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shadic
Forums are a bit of a dying breed. It's weird.

Forums are for longform discussion (or at least more nuanced shitposting). In this day and age, when's the last time you had more than a few minutes to crap out a tweet or a status on Facebook? We've become really conditioned towards that quick feedback loop, and having new information constantly shoved in our faces, that having to actually seek it out and think about it starts to feel alien.


I am suddenly thinking of how this resembles Wall·E, the Pixar film, where the people on the ship get completely complacent in having everything done for them that they forget how to do things themselves. Hmm...


Originally posted by BatElite
My problem until a little while ago was that I felt most of the stuff I come up with would be below the bar of a "proper" forum. I feel like there has been a lower bar here in earlier years, but I can't say for certain and I don't know for other forums. (as I understand some people have been here since they were teens, and were not necessarily the most mature back then)

The stricter rules were definitely a thing, and something that in the last several years we've very strongly relaxed, as long as you're contributing to a discussion (and not being an asshole). Even then more than a handful of my posts are basically just shitposts in forum form



Some people could do with using a forum or at least a blog.

This plus the "last read" feature just make things easy. My go-to comparison is probably the commissions thread I have in the other forum. To find the newest thing, just look for when it's got something new and jump to the most recent posts.

If you wanted to do the same with, say, Twitter, have fun scrolling through literally thousands of unrelated messages, only to find one orphaned tweet. Then you have to go digging even further back to find the rest.

It's the organization, threading, and marking that makes it work.

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Posted on 01-31-18 07:03:26 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
The stricter rules were definitely a thing, and something that in the last several years we've very strongly relaxed, as long as you're contributing to a discussion (and not being an asshole). Even then more than a handful of my posts are basically just shitposts in forum form

I remember this got me a bit confused on my first few posts in here. Like, the place was already becoming less strict I think, but it still seemed like the strict rules were in place for some reason. Though to be honest that could just be because I was dumb.

I appreciate the more relaxed feel to Jul, I think it fits the forum better, specially nowadays. I'm happy to look at the stats page and see the average posts per day be around 50-150, when before most days had below 10 posts, save for a few posting sprees.

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Posted on 01-31-18 07:11:26 PM Link | Quote
The rules have changed over time, mostly in response to problems. For a while, there was a sect of the old community (< 10y ago) that was into channer culture, and the increasing strictness dealt with that decently, though not optimally.

Over time as the community has shrunk down to a smaller, closer-knit community, those sorts of issues go away, and we're mostly able to relax with spot-cleaning in the event we get a bad person.

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Posted on 02-01-18 01:32:12 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shadic
Forums are a bit of a dying breed. It's weird.

Well, forums were I have grown up posting all the time, even if it was me being 12 years old, or even 19, like right now.

Everywhere I've seen a hacking community, I've always seen a Discord. People find Discord better than forums mostly because you can just ping somebody and ask them something rather than posting and waiting for them to post back.

But on the bad side, you get a lot of idiots who have no idea how to do anything productive and shitpost all day. Seems like the norm on Discord.

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Posted on 02-01-18 01:34:38 AM Link | Quote
honestly, i just like AcmlmBoards because of all the layouts. feels like i truly own the space my posts are in.

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Posted on 02-01-18 01:35:21 AM Link | Quote
Indeed. Once you go Acmlm, you don't go back.

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Posted on 02-01-18 01:57:44 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by shibs
Originally posted by Shadic
Forums are a bit of a dying breed. It's weird.

Well, forums were I have grown up posting all the time, even if it was me being 12 years old, or even 19, like right now.

Everywhere I've seen a hacking community, I've always seen a Discord. People find Discord better than forums mostly because you can just ping somebody and ask them something rather than posting and waiting for them to post back.

But on the bad side, you get a lot of idiots who have no idea how to do anything productive and shitpost all day. Seems like the norm on Discord.

The other thing is that in Discord you constantly have to re-ask questions because there's no way to permanently have a good resource for shit.

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Posted on 02-01-18 04:49:53 AM Link | Quote
UESC-7010A > cat post
~/jul
Originally posted by shibs
But on the bad side, you get a lot of idiots who have no idea how to do anything productive and shitpost all day. Seems like the norm on Discord.

God, tell me about it. I had to deal with someone for an entire hour just after I woke up today because I muted them on my server for being annoying. Just quit being annoying. That's all I'm asking you to do is apparently too much for some people to comprehend, let alone accept.

Being able to communicate quicker with people is nice, but it is extremely tiring. Only reason I really use twitter is for art, like Pixiv. Forums tend to make conversation far smoother and more thoughtful than IM, like drinking cream rather than milk. (With that analogy, Twitter would be like drinking thumbtacks.)

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line 477 column 1466 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 593 column 120 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 662 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 673 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 680 column 1004 - Warning: <div> anchor "shadic1-sky" already defined
line 680 column 1024 - Warning: <div> anchor "shadic1-logo" already defined
line 680 column 1045 - Warning: <div> anchor "shadic1-ground" already defined
line 680 column 1068 - Warning: <div> anchor "shadic1-jd" already defined
line 681 column 1179 - Warning: <div> anchor "shadic1-box" already defined
line 683 column 1906 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 683 column 1906 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 692 column 43 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 692 column 140 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 692 column 244 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 706 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 217 column 1830 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 350 column 1277 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 683 column 2186 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 686 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 207 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 209 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 209 column 1087 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 241 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 269 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 299 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 347 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 349 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 350 column 1091 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 374 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 400 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 433 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 475 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 504 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 532 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 563 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 591 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 617 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 649 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 678 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 680 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 681 column 1091 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 340 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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