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Jul - SM64 Hacking (Archive) - Future uses for a possible level geometry/collision map editor

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Posted on 12-23-07 10:57:18 PM

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Well, if it's ever going to happen (which I'm sure it will, just not soon), then why not begin discussing cool ideas for level geometry editing? I was thinking about turning a level upside-down for starters. That would bring an entirely new experience to the gameplay. But other things would need to be accounted for as well, such as the collision map. Providing the collision map is flipped along with the level, it's very likely that anyone who has used Toad's Tool knows that if you collide with an object's backface (such as a pillar on its side), you'll walk right through it. It would be the same with flipping the level upside-down; when you start the level Mario will fall through and die. But if the level's collision map could be "inverted" to where backfaces are swapped, it would then be possible to explore around the level normally.

These are some pretty in-depth ideas though, but at least it's something we can possibly look forward to.

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Posted on 12-24-07 05:00:09 AM

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I was about to write something about explaining why Mario couldn't walk upside-down in SM64, but then I realized that this is not what you were talking about.

Flipping a level upside-down could be done without a complete geometry editor program. Just find the vertices list for both the geometry and collision map, and invert the Z parameter (and maybe add a number to it to modify its vertical offset).

As for this topic, I think it will just create too much hype and expectaTION for a tool that doesn't exist or isn't released yet, detracting attention from what TT64 can do now.

There's tons of fun stuff to do with TT64, and tons of things that are still waiting to be discovered with TT64. If people only focus on what TT64 can't do, they'll only be longing for something, instead of appreciating what they have now.

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Posted on 12-24-07 12:10:58 PM

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It was just a thought, though. I didn't mean for this topic to be distracting, I just thought it would be cool if everyone brainstormed ideas.

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Posted on 12-25-07 04:58:31 AM

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Jul - Post #1895 - 12-24-07 11:58:31pm

I had this ridiculous idea a while ago. If you managed to get an editor to the point where you're completely free from most of the game's restrictions, such that you can simply delete the entire level and make a new one, for two different games, you'd be able to swap levels between them. Put Bob-omb Battlefield in Mario Kart 64.

More realistically, though, I'd like to try making some totally bizarre levels with things like rivers flowing through the air, or maybe recreate areas out of movies or photos, or lower-detail versions (hand-copied) of levels from later-gen games. It'd be pretty neat to wander around The World as Mario.

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Posted on 12-25-07 10:44:30 PM

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The main reason I haven't jumped onto SM64 hacking is because we haven't been able to edit the geometry, and that I discovered SMW hacking first. A level that I would make would be a long, straight level, in which you race Koopa the Quick.

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Posted on 12-26-07 02:10:51 AM

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----------------------------I know exactly what to do to SM64, but that'd require editing many things, bassically objects themselves and making up whole new levels.

Basically it's all inspired in a few dreams I had when I was a kid... involving the staarhhman

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, which takes away one star from you randomly and kills you.)

The first thing would be try to make a very large, open level, it'll be like outside of a city, being able to get partly in, and would be divided in 3 submaps, a big field connecting to a mountain and the sea. In each one there are 2 stars actually, one of them guarded by some boss. Of course you have to get them in an order, something that can be easily done even now.

That level also would contain exits to other levels and the main map. And other levels would comunicate with it and some stars of those levels would actually be got there, in unnacessible areas.

Anyways... I could use many of these ideas right now actually, but apparently I lack the creativity to do so.

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Posted on 12-26-07 05:19:22 AM

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Ok then, dream on guys...

Just don't beg for the geometry editor, and keep in mind that there's still lot of fun things that can be done with TT64 as is, just check out the Japanese mods.

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Posted on 12-26-07 02:44:56 PM (last edited by Reimu Hakurei at 12-26-07 11:47 AM)

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----------------------------A SM64 geometry editor is the last thing I'd want to see released actually...

And there are many ideas that could have been done since TT64 was released... For example making up whole new missions and stuff, or multi-level stars...

A geometry editor would be pretty much useless now that I think of it, at least to me...

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