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Posted on 12-24-07 05:49:50 AM (last edited by VL-Tone at 12-24-07 03:27 AM) Link | Quote
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Japanese people have been discovering Toad's Tool 64 lately, as it seems that a well-known Japanese magazine (Windows%100) featured an article about it. It's only natural that they're interested in TT64, because after all Super Mario 64 is a Japanese game!

As discussed previously, my M64 ROM Extender unfortunately doesn't work on Japanese Windows systems. The solution they've found is to create a "difference patch" to extend the ROM. It's in the form of an executable, so that it includes both the patcher program and the patch itself. I've uploaded the program to my website if you want to check it.

http://homepage.mac.com/qubedstudios/JapaneseM64ROMExtender.zip

People using foreign Windows system and/or anyone having problems with my ROM extender might want to try it.

There's a now pretty extensive "atwiki" Japanese page about TT64.

http://www41.atwiki.jp/ttmario64/

Here's the translated version:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww41.atwiki.jp%2Fttmario64%2F&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Amongst other things, there's a page with a few mod patches http://www41.atwiki.jp/ttmario64/pages/26.html Again they're mostly .exe files (I'm not sure if they're supposed to be applied to an unextended or extended ROM).

There's another page with a long list of videos of Japanese SM64 hacks made with TT64:

http://www41.atwiki.jp/ttmario64/pages/35.html

It seems that there's a lot of SM64 hacking activity over there, I wish I could read Japanese and didn't have to use online translators!

Edit: The videos are on nicovideo.jp which is a Youtube-like japanese site that requires registration to view the video. To register, follow the instructions found at: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8551398

To disable the scrolling comments, click on the little bird icon found at the bottom of the player.

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Posted on 12-24-07 04:15:23 PM (last edited by Kles at 12-24-07 01:17 PM) Link | Quote
Congratulations! I think you have more fans than you've realized. Maybe it's a good thing you can't speak Japanese - you might just get annoyed to the tipping point with more novices not having a clue.

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Fascinating.

It's too bad I haven't been able to take Japanese yet, they might have discovered some more information we could use here... and vice versa.

It's nice to see that the app has many fans, though. Perhaps that means we'll get more people posting quality stuff here in the future... I hope.

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Interesting, I wonder why it doesn't work on Japanese systems? Text doesn't show up, or it doesn't run at all?

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I've been watching the Japanese SM64 mods videos over the last few days (I was only aware of the main page, I didn't realize it was a full site with videos and patches until I created this topic). Some of them are really interesting and creative. One even features an "automatic Mario" segment in a Bowser stage http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1059340

Some mods were made by SM64 pros who created extremely hard levels and goals, and you can see them jumping around with no hesitation on small platforms high in the sky, very impressive stuff.

I think that the average age of the Japanese SM64 hacker might be higher, because of cultural differences. While north-american players in their twenties might have grown disinterested in SM64 and moved to more "mature" stuff, Japanese have been exposed to much more cute and cartoony stuff. So I would think that there's a smaller amount of immaturity in their SM64 hacking community.

Originally posted by HyperHacker
Interesting, I wonder why it doesn't work on Japanese systems? Text doesn't show up, or it doesn't run at all?


The ROM Extender simply doesn't work as intended on Japanese systems. The resulting extended ROM would be unusable, and simply reading the checksum fails so you can't even manage to get to that point.

Here's why:

To enable fast copying of large binary data chunks in Director MX, I had to use the Binary IO Xtra, which is a plug-in for Director. The built-in File I/O Xtra is not suited for binary data I/O.

The Binary IO Xtra can quickly read large amount of data directly into a text variable. I'm using the Binary IO Xtra to copy the decompressed MIO0 banks into the extended ROM, loading them into a variable, and then writing the data back directly from the variable.

The problem is that on a Japanese system, Director MX uses a different internal representation of text variables (Unicode) which as a result corrupts the data read from the Binary IO Xtra (for some reason, some bytes end up being skipped).

TT64 itself uses a different Xtra to read/write data, which is slower and read data in list variables that look like that [255,0,0,120,232,34,50]. So TT64 works on Japanese systems, but not the ROM Extender. I could retrofit the other File Xtra into the ROM Extender, but it would end up being much much slower. Anyway there are other problems with the ROM Extender, one being that it doesn't work with WINE on Linux (but TT64 does.)

Anyhow, Cellar Dweller has been kindly working on a new cross-platform ROM Extender written in C (which will work in Windows, Mac and Linux). He already gave me a working command-line prototype, and he intends to add a GUI.


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Er, how do you watch the video? I only see a thumbnail.



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Posted on 12-26-07 05:50:58 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Er, how do you watch the video? I only see a thumbnail.



Gotta register. Look up on Google how to do it. (register nicovideo or something)



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Originally posted by Kles
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Er, how do you watch the video? I only see a thumbnail.



Gotta register. Look up on Google how to do it. (register nicovideo or something)



You can google it, or you can take a look at the last link in the first post of this thread.

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Darn, the site's undergoing maintenance.
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Er, how do you watch the video? I only see a thumbnail.



Gotta register. Look up on Google how to do it. (register nicovideo or something)

Booooooooo.


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Originally posted by HyperHacker
Originally posted by Kles
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Er, how do you watch the video? I only see a thumbnail.



Gotta register. Look up on Google how to do it. (register nicovideo or something)

Booooooooo.


Yeah, it's a drag, but nicovideo contains a large collection of very nice video-game related stuff (amongst other things) that you usually can't find on Youtube. I guess that registration is a way to prevent the site from being invaded by stupid westerners

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Originally posted by VL-Tone


Amongst other things, there's a page with a few mod patches http://www41.atwiki.jp/ttmario64/pages/26.html Again they're mostly .exe files (I'm not sure if they're supposed to be applied to an unextended or extended ROM).



Every other patch I've used is in the form of an IPS file or a PPS file. (Yeah, I know it's different because it's Japanise, but that doesn't help me.) Has anyone figured out how to use these EXE files to patch a rom? Playing hacks myself is much more enjoyable to me than watching videos is.
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hmm, i wonder if the japanese get all excited (not saying any names here...) when they find ENGLISH letters in a rom...

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Ever play the Japanese version of Mario 64?

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Yeah, Mario has an extra jumping voice in it.
And the opening screen (with the putty-like mario head) has a rumble pak logo in corner.

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Originally posted by roger3245
And the opening screen (with the putty-like mario head) has a rumble pak logo in corner.

Wait, what?

I have a Japanese SM64 cartridge, and I don't see that...was it added to a later revision or something?

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Originally posted by Guy54123
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And the opening screen (with the putty-like mario head) has a rumble pak logo in corner.

Wait, what?

I have a Japanese SM64 cartridge, and I don't see that...was it added to a later revision or something?


Super Mario 64 was re-released in Japan with Rumble Pak Support and the english voice actors.


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Originally posted by +c0
Originally posted by Guy54123
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And the opening screen (with the putty-like mario head) has a rumble pak logo in corner.

Wait, what?

I have a Japanese SM64 cartridge, and I don't see that...was it added to a later revision or something?


Super Mario 64 was re-released in Japan with Rumble Pak Support and the english voice actors.


Among other minor changes. I made a document about the differences years ago.
The first things that come into my mind are the Jolly Roger Bay painting, Chain Chomp's woofing and the Mysterious Red Coin sound.
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Since some of us do not want to have the trouble to have to deal with the japanese and the veiwing time limits, maybe someone can use Hypercam to record thwhe vids, and upload them to YouTube or TinyPic. Also, maybe you can make a post on the Tads tool site for the japannese, and tell them about how we'd like to play their mods, and maybe tell them either to tell us how to use the exe files, or tell them how to use PPF. Maybe a site can be made that you can register as Japanese or English, and if you register as English, the posts are automaticaly translated to english, and vise versa.
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Originally posted by Stevoisiak
Maybe a site can be made that you can register as Japanese or English, and if you register as English, the posts are automaticaly translated to english, and vise versa.

Like the thought that that be sure to post with Japanese and English, without having the people who are required being terrible completely, being good from sound the translation which how is stopped it seems the way, but? As for machine translation you sound frequently terribly.


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