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Posted on 01-06-15 03:08:46 PM (last edited by krutomisi at 01-06-15 09:53:23 PM) Link | Quote

hey all,

long story I have a laptop that I recently installed Ubuntu onto
and it needs bluetooth and that software is super out of date

updating is marked as a "wishlist" priority in the ubuntu bug tracker so yea


I haven't used linux for like five, six years
and things have kinda changed looks like

any good suggestions on more modern distros to check out?

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Posted on 01-06-15 04:14:34 PM Link | Quote
Well I was gonna suggest Debian but
Originally posted by krutomisi
more modern

it probably doesn't meet those requirements. (Unless maybe it does?)

The one I hear mentioned a lot is Mint. No idea if it's any good because, like you, I'm not really up to speed on the latest and greatest desktop Linux.

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Posted on 01-06-15 06:02:24 PM Link | Quote
I have had a poor experience with Mint.

The only distribution that actually works for me without serious issues is regular Ubuntu, or any of the official variants (Kubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, etc.). The only main difference between the variants is what desktop environment they use, and in the end which one to go with is up to you. However, there are a good number of people who have not been very lucky with Ubuntu, so what will happen with you is unpredictable.

Debian is not necessarily non-modern; the stable releases are designed to be as dependable as possible and thus sacrifice the bleeding edge for reliability, but they aren't relics by any means. Ubuntu itself is based on Debian testing, which is far more up to date. However, Debian does require some amount of user configuration; I don't know how much, but it's still some good amount.

Other distributions that don't require too much setup are Fedora and OpenSUSE; while Fedora has mostly worked for me OpenSUSE has always felt wonky. Again, your results WILL vary.

You should definitely decide which desktop environment you want to use as part of your decision on which distribution to use. The big four (GNOME 3, KDE 4, Xfce, and Unity) are wildly different. Try a live CD or live USB of the various Ubuntu flavors (which each differ by which DE they come with) to get a taste. If those four aren't good enough, there are more obscure alternatives (LXDE, window manager-only setups like Openbox and IceWM, etc.), but let's only turn to those when you rule out the big four.
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Posted on 01-06-15 09:17:09 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Joe
Well I was gonna suggest Debian but
Originally posted by krutomisi
more modern

it probably doesn't meet those requirements. (Unless maybe it does?)

The one I hear mentioned a lot is Mint. No idea if it's any good because, like you, I'm not really up to speed on the latest and greatest desktop Linux.


I think that Debian might be the way to go. Its certainly not the easiest option, but once you learn a lot about what configurations to edit and this and that, it probably is a better alternative than Mint. Mint is...well...Debian made wrong/weird, it is slower so you might want to watch out. I dunno about Ubuntu, I have made my best to stay away from that thing for some reason, I don't really remember why. Also, as for more modern, you can use either Debian (with some edits of the configuration files) or Ubuntu. I'd recommend Debian, but its up to you! Ubuntu might not be a bad choice either, depending if you're lucky or not.

Well...andlabs actually says a lot more about it, but I just wanted to share my opinion.

As for desktop enviroments? KDE is good, but a little disorienting. XFCE is really good and easy to use and LXDE is a low-end computer solution, from my experiences at least. Probably not the best opinion since I'm not a Linux expert, but hey, it's what I've got from my experiences using Linux.

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Posted on 01-07-15 03:41:19 PM Link | Quote
I've had limited experience with Linux, but when I have used it, I do prefer Ubuntu or some variant.

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Posted on 01-08-15 03:35:59 AM Link | Quote
Debian-based OS is generally a Good Idea™ because there's a lot of packages for them generally. Problem is you need to add new repo/ppa/etc to update or obtain some of them 'automatically' or easily. But you can always search through manually and find what you need (and often, easily install them that way). And there's never been a Linux far as I know that's supported all hardware out of the box, just the vitals usually.

And ubuntu can also install .deb files from the normal debian packages (they may or may not be super effective or easy, though, since canonical does alter code that may change how things act), they just need to match the version.

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Posted on 01-08-15 03:42:54 AM (last edited by andlabs at 01-08-15 03:43:26 AM) Link | Quote
Also if you (or anyone here) does go with Ubuntu and uses AMD graphics there's a packaging error in the newest versions of the fglrx drivers that causes it to be incompatible with wine. Not sure when it will be fixed, but hopefully it will be before the next release (April)...
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Posted on 01-10-15 04:33:58 AM Link | Quote

so I realized because I want to use chrome
I'm pretty much stuck using -

fedora / opensuse / ubuntu / debian


ubuntu is what I'm switching away from haha,
and for some reason debian doesn't seem to be working on the lappy


trying fedora now

and wow gnome 3 is still terrible

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Posted on 01-10-15 03:24:33 PM (last edited by krutomisi at 01-10-15 03:24:43 PM) Link | Quote

hahaha oh man
with a bunch of screwing around I have a pretty decent xfce setup

but I cannot figure out bluetooth management

which is one of the reasons I switched in the first place



it's always something with linux isn't it

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Posted on 01-12-15 01:20:49 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by krutomisi
it's always something with linux isn't it

Linux, land of guessing and hoping it works.
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No one said Arch Linux? I'm surprised!

It's been a while but last time I checked, Arch Linux was awesome. Perhaps it still is. Check it out.

But yeah, Linux definitely changes fast. Maybe it's because of how big it is now? I can only imagine.

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Posted on 01-19-15 12:18:34 AM (last edited by andlabs at 01-19-15 12:20:59 AM) Link | Quote
I personally did not say Arch Linux because I was talking about easier-to-set-up distributions. I didn't know what krutomisi's history with Linux is... Arch definitely has really good (not necessarily perfect, but still really good) documentation, so the setup isn't difficult; it will take much longer to set everything up (and you may need to come in knowing the names of specific technologies you will need; IDK about that though).

I seem to be very unlucky with it, anyway, in the "it either doesn't detect my hard drives or an update causes it to stop detecting hard drives" department. I also tried forcing an update with the CD image, but that failed for other mysterious reasons... As far as I can tell only Sanky has had this problem too; your mileage may vary. My theory is "there are two types of people in the world: those who find that Ubuntu works and everything else doesn't, and those who find that Ubuntu doesn't work and everything else does".
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Posted on 01-21-15 02:00:57 PM Link | Quote
It's an enigma
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Originally posted by krutomisi
and wow gnome 3 is still terrible
I actually kinda like gnome 3

Originally posted by andlabs
I personally did not say Arch Linux because I was talking about easier-to-set-up distributions.
From what I understand, archbang is Arch without all the setup. Well, the frustrating parts of it anyway.

From my user experience:

-If you want something that just kinda works out of the box, go Ubuntu/Mint

-If you want something that requires some tweaking, but has good support still, go Debian/Fedora

-If you want something that gives you a base system and you can build it how you want, go OpenSuse/Arch(bang)

-If you want to hate yourself, go Gentoo (AKA, build everything from scratch)

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Posted on 01-23-15 01:20:38 PM Link | Quote
It's an enigma
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As a followup to my previous post, I'm trying out crunchbang (#!) and it seems pretty stable/nice. It's Debian based instead of arch based so it's more on the 'easy to use right out of the box' side of thing.

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Posted on 01-24-15 12:30:04 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Sine
As a followup to my previous post, I'm trying out crunchbang (#!) and it seems pretty stable/nice. It's Debian based instead of arch based so it's more on the 'easy to use right out of the box' side of thing.

I would have suggested #! but it does require some more knowledge for modification/customization, but it is pretty darn good. (I run it on the laptop and old rig of mine. Works pretty well.)



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Posted on 01-24-15 04:19:34 AM (last edited by krutomisi at 01-24-15 04:19:57 AM) Link | Quote

Originally posted by dotUser
someone who doesn't go "It's Ubuntu-based". Hooray!


I'm fairly certain it used to be ubuntu based just like linux mint was
but at some point they both switched to debian for some reason or another

also re: crunchbang
openbox is hands down my fave lightweight windows manager

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Posted on 01-24-15 03:08:37 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by krutomisi
Originally posted by dotUser
someone who doesn't go "It's Ubuntu-based". Hooray!


I'm fairly certain it used to be ubuntu based just like linux mint was
but at some point they both switched to debian for some reason or another

Yes, it was for a while, but they did change. Most tend to not know this and will argue that it is "still Ubuntu" though.

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Posted on 02-12-15 03:29:37 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by krutomisi
so I realized because I want to use chrome
I'm pretty much stuck using -

fedora / opensuse / ubuntu / debian

I know for a fact that Chromium works wonderfully on Arch. Looks like you're set with crunchbang? Didn't the dev team disband or something, though?

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Posted on 02-12-15 03:42:02 AM Link | Quote
One option when using Ubuntu w/ outdated software is to look for a PPA with the more updated/live version.

Not always what you need, but it's yet another place to try to get shit working.

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Posted on 02-12-15 01:14:58 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by nym
I know for a fact that Chromium works wonderfully on Arch. Looks like you're set with crunchbang? Didn't the dev team disband or something, though?


They did. on the 6th. So, somewhat recently. Kind of sad really.



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