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Originally posted by neotransotaku
Originally posted by chungy
Kind of a moot point since the hardware and software are provided by the same vendor; they better support their own hardware else they'll be dead.
OSX is nice, very nice but it I don't like the idea of shelling out almost 2x the amount of money for a computer I could get for half the price and have equivalent functionality.
That's not universally true. It is true Apple charge a premium on it's models, but not up to 100% on all models. You can configure cheaper laptops from competitors, but Apple does indeed come with great support and well-designed hardware. I'd much rather have an Apple than a budget Dell model. Fine, its not worth it to you, but its worth it for me, and I have never regretted it. |
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167 days |  |  | I suggest Ubuntu W/WINE. I did it myself for a while, running all kinds of Windows programs (even Winamp) with minimal bugs, while enjoying the speediness of Linux.
Of course, now that I know more about Linux, I'd probably pick a smaller, less gigantic distro. So I could take advantage of more speed and configuration fun.
Macs are only really good if you're, like, an Arts major. Then they're a godsend. I hear. I have never really touched one above an Apple IIe.
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| Posted on 12-17-07 07:51:13 PM (last edited by Kas at 12-17-07 05:00 PM) |
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Yup, Photoshop, Firefox + Firebug + Tamper Data, TextWrangler, Spotlight and VMWare + Windows + IE are all invaluable for web development. I'm also planning on spending some money to get BBEdit and a subversion client.
I'm still using Windows at work because I haven't got a decent portable, but when I buy one, I'm buying one to have a seemless development environment. No more having to switch between Windows and Mac keyboards, and Windows and OS X shortcuts at home and at work. It also helps get around the hardware purchasing cycle at work - I'm still using a P4 1.7 with a ATI Rage and Matrox Mystique. I can't wait for a Core 2 Duo 
But yeah, you don't need a reason to buy a Mac. People just tend to see them working and then want one. The key to the Mac is the basics. Every day-to-day function you need from your operating system is taken care of out of the box, and it's hard to understate that. Sure, if you're gaming every day, you'll need to boot into Windows alot, but at work and everywhere else Macs really come into their own. Macs are great for graphics nuts, but they're also great for web development, video editing, word processing, web surfing, e-mailing and enjoying music and movies. They also make great World of Warcraft machines, too. |
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Kas, you are the person I should be. If you are a programmer, the big plus for OSX is its integration with UNIX. I can't program in Windows unless I have Cygwin. Even then, Cygwin has major shortcomings. Virtualization software is more than enough if you are a non-gaming developer.
One of the things holding me back is that I don't like Office for Mac because all the keyboard shortcuts I know for Office for Windows do not translate for Office for Mac. It is a shame that is the case. I find it funny that for the same product, Microsoft designed it differently for both operating systems. |
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167 days | | | Heh. Just shows how little I know. (Hence why I don't believe my opinion on them counts.)
What I do know is that XP or any decent Linux variant will also work, but it's really dependent on what you prefer--for example, there's better things than XP x64 out there, but I prefer it due to having used it for all eternity.
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| | | |    | | Originally posted by neotransotaku
Even then, Cygwin has major shortcomings.
Yeah? You don't say. 
(all this so I could use...a font editor. fasdfhkgfasgfaghahgfh.)
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Originally posted by Neko54123
Originally posted by neotransotaku
Even then, Cygwin has major shortcomings.
Yeah? You don't say.
(all this so I could use...a font editor. fasdfhkgfasgfaghahgfh.)
No, that is more the file system that is used. Even on UNIX systems, it has similar usage if you have blocks that big. If you shrink block allocation size, less waste is there. It is why cygwin on my computer right now sits on a disk with 1KB block size and it is in its compressed folder on another computer.
Have you looked in the windows/system32 folder? |
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| | | | | | That still doesn't explain the 11,332 files and 609 folders.
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| Posted on 12-18-07 05:35:17 AM (last edited by Kas at 12-18-07 02:38 AM) |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku
Kas, you are the person I should be. If you are a programmer, the big plus for OSX is its integration with UNIX. I can't program in Windows unless I have Cygwin. Even then, Cygwin has major shortcomings. Virtualization software is more than enough if you are a non-gaming developer.
One of the things holding me back is that I don't like Office for Mac because all the keyboard shortcuts I know for Office for Windows do not translate for Office for Mac. It is a shame that is the case. I find it funny that for the same product, Microsoft designed it differently for both operating systems.
I get the same thing between TextWrangler and Textpad on Windows. Goto line in TW is Cmd+J, and Cmd+G on TP. Find is Cmd+S on TW, F5 on TP. Indent selection is Cmd+} on TW, Tab in TP. Even Home and End work differently on the Mac >=(
This really should be a standard by now 
I'm not so bothered about UNIX itegration. We have a dedicated on-site Redhat server for hosting and testing purposes. It's nice to have a native terminal, but all I'd do is SSH into our development server. At the moment, all I ever use is Putty 
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Originally posted by Neko54123
That still doesn't explain the 11,332 files and 609 folders.
Take a look at what is inside cygwin/lib; the lib folder is unix's version of windows/system32 |
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Before even saying what I have to say, let me state this: I am not a big fan of macs. Not that I am going to bash them in this post, I rarely will do this.
Anyway, what the hell are you going to use the computer for? I've quickly gone over your posts, Kawa, and I haven't seen it mentioned. Some people have mentioned bootcamp so you can do whatever, but IIRC, it's not cheap. And from what you've said, you're going to get something older, if you do get a Mac.
And obviously, if you go the older route, you won't have many games (unless you feel like playing lots of Blizzard games, then you're okay).
Also, if you take a Mac, I'd suggest to invest a bit more than you'd think in it (from personnal use, I've prefered the newer macs to the older ones).
Then there's the PC way. If you're going to go the "Get PC with Vista and then Dual Boot", do make sure sure the hardware isn't a bitch (prioritary, hello there), or that there are some drivers at least (or if it's something like the ethernet card, that you can change easily).
Really depends on what you want to do (or if you're willing to buy an Intel-based Mac, then go ahead and don't think about a PC. It's not something I would do myself, but when you don't mind Macs, it's not a problem).
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| Posted on 12-19-07 05:37:34 PM (last edited by Kawa at 12-19-07 02:38 PM) |
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What I usually do on the Lappy is the following:
* Play games, mostly emulated (GBA/NES mostly, SNES/N64 sometimes)
* Draw on the Wacom
* Code for the GBA with DevKitPro (GCC based, so that should be cool)
* Code in Visual Basic 6 (naturally pirated)
* Ack teh rohmz
* Listen to music in various formats (MP3, OGG, PSF and derivatives)
Also, I don't intend to dual boot - I loathe Vista and only use it when demonstrating things for Angel on his laptop.
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| Posted on 12-26-07 08:06:39 PM (last edited by Raccoon Sam at 12-26-07 05:12 PM) |
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Only get a Mac if you have a very good reason.
Unless you're having trouble choosing over either a Mac or a computer with Vista. ANYTHING is better than Vista.
* Play games, mostly emulated (GBA/NES mostly, SNES/N64 sometimes)
Works alright, but there are compatibility issues with N64.
* Draw on the Wacom
Works alright.
* Code for the GBA with DevKitPro (GCC based, so that should be cool)
Excellent choice. Development with Xcode tools is easy and fun.
* Code in Visual Basic 6 (naturally pirated)
Works alright, but you need either a Virtual Machine with an Operating System installed into it, Boot Camp for dual booting, or CodeWeavers CrossOver for reading EXE and other Windows files but not actually running the OS.
* Ack teh rohmz
See above.
* Listen to music in various formats (MP3, OGG, PSF and derivatives)
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And don't you only need cygwin1.dll to run programs compiled for Cygwin?
I never really got to experience anything past 7.0.1 (other than running 
