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Vulkar

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Posted on 12-08-07 02:04:09 PM Link | Quote
Like I said on XGF, there's actually only one part of this whole article that anyone should look at. It's not the guys opinions, it's not how he talks about the "loose definition" politicians and the military have.

Look at this part, the only part where he quotes the bill.

Originally posted by the article
...ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs...


If you read the rest of the article, all it says is that people could be in trouble for planning an act of violence, or using violence to force someone to believe something. All this is really doing, in my opinion, is reinforcing the constitution.

In other words, this bill says that you'll be fine as long as you don't go and MAKE plans to force your religion or beliefs through use of violence. It doesn't mean critisizing someone or talking about how much you disapprove of something. It means that if you decide to directly hurt people in the process, then you'll have a problem.

I'd reccomend that people read at least the first couple parts of this, http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xml before having a huge arguement with the bill.

I really can't see them using this to fight anainst people who run blogs or post in forums...unless they make plans for violence.
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Posted on 12-08-07 04:40:08 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
If this doesn't deserve a big fat , I don't know what does.
Originally posted by DSMagnum
All of you will be arrested for posting in this thread when this bill gets passed.
Oooooohhhh Caaaaanadaaaaaa...

So, by living outside the US, you are free to use US based things (like this board), and not be liable for what you say about the US. So, that means, if you upset the government, you can't ever set foot in the US without getting arrested.
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Posted on 12-08-07 05:58:43 PM Link | Quote
this is the version I read

The bill doesn't actually give anything the power to do anything about people supposedly guilty of "ideologically based terrorism". The definition would be fine if it also said what constitutes the "use of force".

Personally, I'd be more worried that it lets the Department of Homeland Security of all things audit the constitutionality of the proceedings.

But mostly this article is fear mongering, and factually incorrect to boot. The government most certainly won't be enabled to arrest people for having blogs because of this bill. And the Ron Paul plug makes the author lose any appearance of objectivity that he may have cultivated.

Unfortunately the article's still getting a lot of attention from people who won't be bothered to look up the bill in question. I'm afraid of people who get all of their news from blogs like this one. It puts those blogs in a very strong position to control people through their fear. Just think of how many people who don't know a thing about politics are now going to vote for Ron Paul. It seems like a pretty effective scheme for votes.
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Posted on 12-08-07 07:45:26 PM Link | Quote
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Indeed. It is, ironically, using the same fearmongering tactics that the people who get such silly bills into Congress do, making them no better than the people they criticise. Especially the whole Ron Paul plug, which is absurd. I'll stick to voting for Obama, myself. :p

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Posted on 12-08-07 08:35:09 PM Link | Quote
Jul - Post #1759 - 12-08-07 03:35:09pm
Originally posted by neotransotaku
Originally posted by HyperHacker
If this doesn't deserve a big fat , I don't know what does.
Originally posted by DSMagnum
All of you will be arrested for posting in this thread when this bill gets passed.
Oooooohhhh Caaaaanadaaaaaa...

So, by living outside the US, you are free to use US based things (like this board), and not be liable for what you say about the US. So, that means, if you upset the government, you can't ever set foot in the US without getting arrested.
I can't see this being a big problem for me.

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Posted on 12-08-07 08:44:13 PM Link | Quote
Honestly, it's not like the government would ever bother to really do anything like suddenly attack this board or anything, even if a poorly written law could appear to give them the power to do so

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Posted on 12-08-07 11:47:10 PM Link | Quote

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I find this just hilariously ironic. It just screams "Bush is retarded." Notice it says not to make fun of Bush? This is probably just making everyone hate him even more.

I see pretty much every TV show making fun of this when the writer's strike ends.

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Posted on 12-08-07 11:48:22 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Lunar MM
I see pretty much every TV show making fun of this when the writer's strike ends.

You know, there was an article about the writer's strike in the Boston Globe today, saying that it was probably easier for politicians to do stupid things since comedians would find it harder to call them on it, and people don't pay as much attention to the news

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Posted on 12-11-07 11:41:11 PM (last edited by teconmoon at 12-16-07 12:12 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by DSMagnum
All of you will be arrested for posting in this thread when this bill gets passed.


Including you since you posted...

But whatever, who cares? It's not like they have a satellite that can tell what everyone says and arrest them right then... They won't catch a whole bunch of people even if this is passed unless those people know a lot of tattletales.

This is dumber than that law of how if people wear their pants to low in Virginia they get arrested.

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Posted on 12-12-07 01:15:58 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by teconmoon
This is dumber than that law of how if people wear their pants to low in Virginia they get arrested.

Yeah, I'd much prefer a law that says "if someone is wearing their pants too low in Virginia, those nearby are legally permitted to beat the shit out of that person," but that wouldn't go over all that well.

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Posted on 12-12-07 02:32:35 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Stigandr
"if someone is wearing their pants too low in Virginia, those nearby are legally permitted to beat the shit out of that person,"
There just needs to be a sign that says "Must be this attractive to wear pants low" that has an example picture of somebody attractive.

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Posted on 12-12-07 04:13:53 AM (last edited by HyperHacker at 12-12-07 01:14 AM) Link | Quote
Jul - Post #1779 - 12-11-07 11:13:53pm
Required minimum pants height scales inversely proportionally to attractiveness.

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Posted on 12-12-07 04:52:42 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Originally posted by neotransotaku
Originally posted by HyperHacker
If this doesn't deserve a big fat , I don't know what does.
Originally posted by DSMagnum
All of you will be arrested for posting in this thread when this bill gets passed.
Oooooohhhh Caaaaanadaaaaaa...

So, by living outside the US, you are free to use US based things (like this board), and not be liable for what you say about the US. So, that means, if you upset the government, you can't ever set foot in the US without getting arrested.
I can't see this being a big problem for me.

Unless the Canadian authorities agree on your extradition. Who knows what leverage the U.S. government can pull.
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Jul - Post #1785 - 12-12-07 12:26:29pm
I intend to leave the country the moment that's possible.

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*Neko54123 senses just a pinch of paranoia in this thread...

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Jul - Post #1791 - 12-12-07 04:34:45pm
Originally posted by Neko54123
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That's because THE MAN wants you to!

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