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http://thegrio.com/2013/01/25/naacp-condemns-virginia-gop-plan-to-split-electoral-votes/
Virginia Republicans are plotting to have their state’s electoral votes split proportionately based on Congressional districts.
This is already the case with Maine and Nebraska, but since Virginia serves as a crucial and hard-fought swing state, with a growing and influential minority voting population, the move is being greeting with considerable apprehension.
“You want to make sure in any system put in place in any state that the outcome is reflective of the actual votes cast,” Hilary Shelton, senior vice president for advocacy at the NAACP, told Talking Points Memo. “What we have is a system that’s being proposed and actually moving forward in many ways that does not meet that criteria and that raises concerns for us.”
The GOP legislation, which seems poised to pass in a state with Republican governor and majority Republican legislature, would have delivered 9 of the state’s 13 electoral votes to Mitt Romney instead of President Barack Obama on Election Day last November.
The president won the winner take all state by a 50 to 47 margin, largely by dominating the more diverse urban centers of the state.
Welp, I think they want to do this in PA too, where Romney probably would have ended up winning a majority of the electoral votes with that system. |
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Yeah, they're trying it in several states. If you can't win in the existing system, it must be the system that's wrong, not your party.
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Because that's REALLY going to help them.
Perhaps we should just disband the GOP before the grave they're digging themselves collapses in on them while they're still at work.
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I remember when the Romney supporters were all up in arms about how Romney was going to win the popular vote, but Obama was going to get the electoral college and how that was a horrible thing and would cause a reexamination of the electoral process...
...and now the same people are trying to cause this to happen in future elections.
I swear, what happened to the GOP? |
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Originally posted by Metal_Man88
We need a National Public Vote--the Electoral College is garbage.
This would be great but they strongly oppose it ... it's like how they lost the popular vote for the house by over a million votes but still retained their majority. I think someone said democrats had to win by like 4 points in order to gain a majority of the seats. :/ |
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Originally posted by Nicole
I can imagine a scenario where I'd be alright with splitting state votes by house district... but you'd have to have the House districts be of precisely equal size, and have strong anti-gerrymandering protections in place- and do it on a national scale.
But then you have to trust 50 state governments to do things correctly and fairly. Enforcing anti-gerrymandering protections would be the most important thing and also the most difficult thing to enforce, IMO. I just don't see the point as to why it should be handled this way as opposed to a national popular vote. What do we gain by doing it this way? |
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Originally posted by FieryIce
Originally posted by Nicole
I can imagine a scenario where I'd be alright with splitting state votes by house district... but you'd have to have the House districts be of precisely equal size, and have strong anti-gerrymandering protections in place- and do it on a national scale.
But then you have to trust 50 state governments to do things correctly and fairly. Enforcing anti-gerrymandering protections would be the most important thing and also the most difficult thing to enforce, IMO. I just don't see the point as to why it should be handled this way as opposed to a national popular vote. What do we gain by doing it this way?
"where I'd be alright with" apparently means "implement this now, it is the best of all possible policies" 
And anti-gerrymandering provisions need to be made and enforced anyway, as the current House of Representatives so clearly shows. ____________________ Nicole - LV 125 - EP 22142864 |
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Originally posted by Nicole
Originally posted by FieryIce
Originally posted by Nicole
I can imagine a scenario where I'd be alright with splitting state votes by house district... but you'd have to have the House districts be of precisely equal size, and have strong anti-gerrymandering protections in place- and do it on a national scale.
But then you have to trust 50 state governments to do things correctly and fairly. Enforcing anti-gerrymandering protections would be the most important thing and also the most difficult thing to enforce, IMO. I just don't see the point as to why it should be handled this way as opposed to a national popular vote. What do we gain by doing it this way?
"where I'd be alright with" apparently means "implement this now, it is the best of all possible policies"
And anti-gerrymandering provisions need to be made and enforced anyway, as the current House of Representatives so clearly shows.
I just feel like both the house and the senate are broken ... why can't we just assign the number of representatives proportionally to the winner party's result in each state and also get rid of the senate? We'd certainly get a lot more done. (but I guess the government would be more prone to swings in policy - like health care reform would have been repealed and reimplemented by now haha) |
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Originally posted by FieryIce
I just feel like both the house and the senate are broken ... why can't we just assign the number of representatives proportionally to the winner party's result in each state and also get rid of the senate? We'd certainly get a lot more done. (but I guess the government would be more prone to swings in policy - like health care reform would have been repealed and reimplemented by now haha)
As you say, I think something like the Senate (maybe not necessarily all-states-are-equal, though that'd be hard to change within the Constitution) that has a longer term that could keep things more stable makes sense...
The issue I have with proportional representation is that then you no longer have one congressman per area; and issues that don't affect an entire state but require federal help could be ignored. ____________________ Nicole - LV 125 - EP 22159922 |
