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Vinnyboiler
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Posted on 10-19-12 10:01:18 PM Link | Quote



So it seems like the internet is currently in a kind of transitional phase. Companies like Google, Twitter and Facebook all aim to have their users be as open and public as possible whereas I always considered privacy important, so much that I will try and use my username over my real name as much as possible.

A few weeks ago I came across an online phone book when I was reading about how people use Social engineering to gain access to peoples online accounts. And I was shocked by how exposed I was by using the same email for everything, and how me using Facebook can leave me open to all sorts of people finding out about my personal information (despite all the steps I made towards making it as private as possible).

It got me thinking about why I considered my anonymity important in the first place. I'm certain I had a good reason to, but it's been so long that I just sorta been keeping it while forgetting my original purpose in the first place. But right now the only thing I'm thinking about is if it's because I don't want to be associated with ROM hacking accounts if I applied to any games development companies since it's an grey area, but even that seems trivial when I think about me being on the internet so much that it seems like it's practically half my life I don't want people knowing about.

But I thought it's important thing to think about, which is why I decided to open a thread up about it.

TL:DR: Read the title.

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Posted on 10-20-12 02:10:03 AM Link | Quote
People can only use any personal information as much as the amount of information that you give them.

I consider myself a highly private person online which, I can probably be traced back fairly easy, yes. But given that I tend to go for a pseudonym-istic last name which throws people right off, it worries me a bit less. It's also a reason I've never really gotten into Facebook. I've heard they've done some fairy shady practices with people's information (what it is I can't honestly remember, but I remember it being shady) behind their backs. I'm not too worried about it, and I'm always considering exactly what I'd wanna post online about myself at any given point, and where.

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Posted on 10-20-12 04:50:39 AM Link | Quote
At this point, it just feels futile to try and keep everything about yourself posted online private. There are ways to attempt to avoid this, like posting on relatively obscure message boards, but overall it's going to end up impossible for people to have private lives sometime.

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Posted on 10-20-12 07:32:49 AM Link | Quote
Well it isn't that big of a deal really. My username is technically my name anyway (my name is just Sam, not Samuel). I heard the government is happy to sell the info to companies for money as well as Facebook supposedly being bad for it. I've just started ignoring it now.

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Posted on 10-20-12 07:43:09 PM Link | Quote
It's astounding how many people just put all of their personal information on Facebook, including their phone numbers and addresses, and then develop this attitude that our loss of privacy is inevitable. It's insane.

There are many ways your personal information is being collected. For example, if your phone number/email is in someone's contact list and they downloaded the Facebook app to their phone, the app searches their list and collects the data. Even if you don't share anything on your Facebook account, if you simply have the account, they probably have more information tied to it than you would ever imagine. If you don't have the account, well gosh, you might receive an email that so-and-so has supposedly invited you to Facebook. I've had my private school email address receive invites from several people, including myself. Amazing! I've long since left Facebook, but the damage is done.

The only thing more disturbing than this attack on our privacy is that nobody seems to care. Anonymity is worth keeping if you still have it.
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Posted on 10-20-12 07:51:03 PM Link | Quote
Anonymity is a thing that seems only possible if you can manage to keep a false identity and a true identity entirely separate. Providing the real one has fewer connections to make as well. Not worth tossing everything up to the easiest access mind you, but remaining entirely anonymous is becoming harder as more ways to make the connections show up.

And to expand yde's bit; even if YOU didn't leave that extra info out somewhere, it doesn't mean someone you know didn't put it somewhere accessible either. Or that they didn't use an app or whatever that uncovered it.

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Posted on 10-20-12 11:23:58 PM Link | Quote
I keep an array of identities, and nobody but me knows all of them. They keep passwords differently, type with different minor quirks and styles, some of them even have P.O. boxes in different states, and use different proxies to the internet.

It's sort of a natural thing for me, splitting my personality like that... but is there a real me? I guess it's harder for people who are confident in their own identity.
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Posted on 10-21-12 01:28:06 AM Link | Quote
Personally, I like to remain somewhat anonymous, but that's just because of how things were when I started. It's not something I really consider important, just something I do for the sake of tradition.


People nowadays are weird about their perception of privacy. They'll hesitate at giving out like their home town, but have absolutely no problem publicly posting everywhere they go, everything they buy, and everyone they know.

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Posted on 10-21-12 09:15:18 AM (last edited by Girlydragon at 10-21-12 09:15:34 AM) Link | Quote
I always felt like anonymity was more because I wanted my internet-life to be separate from my real life, because my real life didn't feel like it truly matched up.


These days when the "real" me is getting closer and closer to the "internet" me, so much that the two are practically the same, I don't really feel the need to have the anonymity that much anymore.




I guess, anonymity gave me a chance to be who I truly wanted to be, and now I truly am what I want to be, so anonymity isn't important for me.

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Posted on 10-21-12 05:08:56 PM Link | Quote



Originally posted by Girlydragon
I always felt like anonymity was more because I wanted my internet-life to be separate from my real life, because my real life didn't feel like it truly matched up.


These days when the "real" me is getting closer and closer to the "internet" me, so much that the two are practically the same, I don't really feel the need to have the anonymity that much anymore.




I guess, anonymity gave me a chance to be who I truly wanted to be, and now I truly am what I want to be, so anonymity isn't important for me.


Actually that seems like what has happened to me as well. Except it was more like my internet self growing more into my real self and not the other way around. Any Google search's of my username (Vinnyboiler) doesn't seem to raise any red flags though.

Maybe it would be good to embrace my internet self in real life, this idea of anonymity on the internet in my opinion is just getting outdated.

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Posted on 10-22-12 02:10:40 AM Link | Quote
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Yes, anonymity is useful. I just consider it like real life--you don't hand out all your info to everyone. But at the same time you don't hide it from everyone. Simple enough.

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Posted on 10-26-12 10:47:58 AM Link | Quote
Mm.. Honestly, over time I've kinda cared less about anonymity, myself. Though it's to the extent of 'here's everything about me' more than it is 'well here's a thing or two.'. Sometimes I even drop my actual name, but that rarely happens, if ever.

Iiiin any case, I'd have to agree with Metal's opinion on the matter. It just seems to make the most sense, really.

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Posted on 11-07-12 05:52:17 AM (last edited by Bisqwit at 11-07-12 08:39:33 AM) Link | Quote
I have no problem with people knowing my real name... And in fact, I have insisted a realname policy on many systems I have moderated during this millennium.

But beyond the real name, it gets complicated. I know there are many people who know my address and phone number that probably should not know it (because it was written in a very public international registry for years; not sure how many did bother to look it up though). But should a need arise, I can change both at relatively little hassle.
So far, there has not been any problem.

But what are the risks, really?

I have no problem if someone who used to know me only from the Internet will suddenly call me, or send me a letter, or even appear behind the door, as long as they aren't stalking and harassing me, or posting that information in some services that send you eh, spam, through those channels. Most people I know though, are either so introverted, or just unwilling to spend money in any of those communication methods, that none of that happens.
By principle, I never permit giving any such information for marketing purposes, if at all possible.
How about my bank account number? So far I haven't been able to see any problem with having it public. To my knowledge, there's nothing you can do with knowing someone's bank account number except send them money, and I have no qualms with that.

I suppose the bigger problem is with the personal identification number (or social security number). Many services use it for identification and authentication of the person. For example, if you pay by a bank or credit card in Finnish stores, and your card does not have the smart chip in it, they take your signature, and beyond a certain sum, write down your SSN. They also take your SSN and signature in the post office when you fetch a package. In addition, if you travel by train without a valid ticket and get caught, they ask (and verify) your SSN and use that for inspection fee related purposes. Technically, you could give someone else's credentials in all of those situations, but it would be a legal fraud.
There may be some people who know my SSN that should not know it, but in general I have avoided typing it anywhere in the Internet. Also a few people have seen my signature, but there's little value in that. I could scribble anything, really.

There are only a few situations where I truly wish to be completely anonymous, and I realize it is quite difficult really, especially in the Internet. I am not used to using proxies like Tor, and in general I do a shoddy job at masquerading my own style. I use certain types of sentence structures, and a particular wording at times, and a person who has a suspicion might cross-reference and determine a match.

In a related topic: I was actually surprised to learn yesterday, that in USA it is practically a constitutional right to be anonymous in any situation, even in legal and commercial situations. You could have a pseudonym and use it anywhere, and it would be permissible. Not so in Finland! In fact, in Finland we are basically taught and educated in such manner that if you introduce yourself using a false name somewhere, it FEELS wrong and that you are a terrible cheating bastard for doing so. In Finland, we are taught that in any and all official situations, like opening a bank account, or cashing in a cheque (should you still receive such thing from some undeveloped country), or voting, or subscribing to a magazine, or when a cop pulls you over in traffic, or indeed, picking up parcel in the post office, you will have to prove your identity in an unambiguous manner (usually by showing your papers, which might be the driver's license, or a personal identification card, or a passport). It is a very different world.
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Posted on 11-07-12 10:34:21 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Bisqwit
In a related topic: I was actually surprised to learn yesterday, that in USA it is practically a constitutional right to be anonymous in any situation, even in legal and commercial situations. You could have a pseudonym and use it anywhere, and it would be permissible.

While you can use alternate names, you are asked to list them all when completing forms for important things like ID, voter registration, taxes, etc. If you lie on those forms, there are legal consequences.
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Posted on 11-19-12 05:01:50 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Bisqwit
In a related topic: I was actually surprised to learn yesterday, that in USA it is practically a constitutional right to be anonymous in any situation, even in legal and commercial situations. You could have a pseudonym and use it anywhere, and it would be permissible. Not so in Finland! In fact, in Finland we are basically taught and educated in such manner that if you introduce yourself using a false name somewhere, it FEELS wrong and that you are a terrible cheating bastard for doing so. In Finland, we are taught that in any and all official situations, like opening a bank account, or cashing in a cheque (should you still receive such thing from some undeveloped country), or voting, or subscribing to a magazine, or when a cop pulls you over in traffic, or indeed, picking up parcel in the post office, you will have to prove your identity in an unambiguous manner (usually by showing your papers, which might be the driver's license, or a personal identification card, or a passport). It is a very different world.

Not sure where you learned this. For impromptu and informal meetings, you can get away with using a psuedonym (the bartender won't care if you're Joe or Bob or Fuckstick), but as soon as something of any importance comes out, you use your real name. Basically anything involving the transfer of money that isn't cold hard cash (bank, credit, debit), and from there it basically hits everything.

You can change your name or have an alternate name ("legal name" and such fun), though.


As for legal, there are really only two things; John Doe type things (where you are anonymous by nature) and your real name. I haven't seen much else in use ever.

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Posted on 11-19-12 05:49:11 AM Link | Quote
I'm most exposed on Facebook, but not to the point that my profile is just obviously public. But it's not like I'd ever give out my SSN.

Most anonymity seems like paranoia to me.

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Posted on 11-30-12 11:43:04 AM Link | Quote

I used to be fairly open until the whole Jakob thing... having someone running around and impersonating you gives you a lot of reason to be paranoid... goddess knows what he would have done if he had known my real name.

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