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Posted on 10-16-12 12:14:44 AM

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I doubt the media industries realise just how many more people this will piss off post-pass. Given it does pass. They only think of shoving it through, not how much shit will come their way when/if it gets through.

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Posted on 10-16-12 03:22:39 PM

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A giant handcuff around the world is a pretty fitting logo for this thing.

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Posted on 10-16-12 04:30:51 PM

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2012 seems to be the year for aggressive government-mandated internet censorship. So far it doesn't seem to be working terribly well though apart from some site shutdowns.

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Posted on 10-17-12 05:57:29 PM

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honestly there needs to be some kind of system
to keep IP infringements off of the internet

while the media distribution structure also needs redone

there is no reason why unauthorized IP theft
should be so widespread and almost encouraged

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Posted on 10-17-12 06:21:42 PM

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It's as widespread and "encouraged" as it is because the opposite (copyright and the enforcement thereof) is actually unnatural and is an artificial construct that was mutated from "give artists a short period in which to reclaim their investment" to "Enforce an unrealistic copyright term for the sake of monetary gain for large companies".

Music, Arts, and the reproduction and sharing thereof have all been around for a long time.

In music's case, over 35,000 years. Somehow, I doubt the relaxation of copyright can harm it, if the practice can survive an ice age.

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Posted on 10-17-12 06:38:10 PM

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It's difficult to change a system when it would reduce the profits of the big companies who benefit from the way it is. As long as they have money, they are going to keep trying to fight.

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Posted on 10-17-12 06:42:56 PM (last edited by Sukasa at 10-17-12 06:43:16 PM)

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Which is probably why there's such a big copyfight over this. It's really turning into the lawmakers + businesses + a minority versus a large majority of people who either are against copyright, or just don't care about it and do what they want.

Going further into it, the idea of sharing media and not buying more than one copy of anything amongst several people is interesting in that it's considered wrong, whereas things like carpooling, mass transit, or other "save-money" stuff is considered responsible. It's almost like we treat digital content, which by definition is not a scarce resource as if sharing is The Devil™, and sharing physical content, which by definition is a scarce resource as perfectly fine.

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Posted on 10-17-12 07:49:31 PM

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Originally posted by krutomisi
honestly there needs to be some kind of system
to keep IP infringements off of the internet

while the media distribution structure also needs redone

there is no reason why unauthorized IP theft
should be so widespread and almost encouraged

Datalove, man. And even in the case where IP rights hold over data freedom, the act of copying is not the unauthorized act. You can't ban making your own copy of something, what you can ban is possession or distribution without a license. The person you copy from is distributing, and you're performing a legal act (copying data), with an illegal result (possessing something you aren't licensed to possess.)

Copying is not the damaging act in IP violation, and nor is it theft, and as long as IP laws focus on the act of copying, they'll be going after the wrong thing. Data will always be free, even when the IP it carries isn't.

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Posted on 10-17-12 08:06:42 PM

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I think the biggest thing to remember amongst all the copywrong shit is that the act of downloading a copy of something (which does not make unavailable the original, like purchasing or theft does), is punished far harsher than actual petty theft.

As an actual example, the Connecticut State Library appears to indicate that basic larceny (you know, stealing some DVDs under $250 in value) is punishable by up to $500 / 3 months in jail.

Then you get things like this.

The case dates back to 2005, when the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) first accused Jammie Thomas-Rasset of illegally sharing songs on the now defunct service Kazaa.

Various appeals have seen the penalty swing between $54,000 and $1.9m.

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Joel Tenenbaum was told to pay $675,000 for downloading and distributing 31 songs in 2007.

That's a lot more than $500, or really anything reasonable at all.

Hell, even that quote above could probably net me a lawsuit for $75k. Remember Righthaven?

Righthaven initially entered agreements concerning old news articles from Stephens Media, publisher of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, based on a business model of suing bloggers, other Internet authors, and Internet site operators for statutory damages for having reproduced the articles on their sites without permission.[8] An affiliate of Stephens Media owns half of Righthaven.[9] As of 24 March 2011, 255 cases have been filed.[10][11] Typically, Righthaven has demanded $75,000 and surrender of the domain name from each alleged infringer, but accepted out of court settlements of several thousand dollars per defendant.[12] As of December 2010 approximately 70 cases had settled.

By "reproduced", they mean everything from blatant copy-theft (rare), to quoting with links (most common), and even in some cases a single picture from an article.

Copyright is beyond broken, but this kind of measure isn't what will solve it. We need less, more temporary, copyright, and not stuff that turns the length of copyright up to the average life expectancy. (And then gets extended any time some major work gets close to the timeline!)... and that's disregarding the other bullshit loopholes that allow it to live on even longer.

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Posted on 10-17-12 08:11:02 PM (last edited by Sukasa at 10-17-12 08:11:16 PM)

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The other thing we need is something Kruto did touch on: A sane media delivery system that doesn't punish the paying users or restrict how they can view their content. Hell, look at Netflix; thansk to copyright bullshit there's tons of stuff that's not there, or better yet is removed. ____________________

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Posted on 10-21-12 07:00:34 AM (last edited by Rena at 10-21-12 07:03:02 AM)

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Piracy is not going away as long as pirated copies are better than legit ones. Just about every time I buy a DVD, I have to hack around some stupid copy protection to make it play on my PC, which is usually quite a bit more difficult than just downloading a copy of the movie I just bought. Games want you to be online constantly, or at least at startup, to play offline. And don't even get me started about unskippable ads at the beginning of movies. A legal copy becomes a pain in the ass to use, if it works at all, while a pirate copy just works smoothly and painlessly. (and the solution? make it even MORE annoying next time! :specialed: )

It seems like media companies designed a business model that relies on the fact that information can't be perfectly, effortlessly duplicated and transmitted - which is pretty silly, because it can. Now instead of trying to design a less broken model (which would *gasp* cost money), they're trying to prevent that duplication, by means of DRM and insane laws. It's a bit like someone who, realizing their brilliant architectural design fails catastrophically in the presence of gravity, tries to get rid of gravity instead of fixing the design.

Really, piracy can be a pain even if you know what you're doing. Good stuff is hard to find. I'd much rather use a service through which I can actually buy movies/music/games, if I could find any that:

Actually have the content I'm interested in

Are available in Canada (ideally, worldwide) and won't refuse to let me buy things because of where I am

Run on Linux without sucking or doing anything sktechy (gold standard: open-source project on Sourceforge or similar)

Just give me the goddamn file. No encryption, licensing, expiring, streaming, "can only be played in our special software" bullshit, just give me an ordinary audio/video file to use as I please. (even better if you can match the quality of good pirated media, i.e. FLAC audio and high-quality mkv/ogm video[1])

([1] I realize mkv and ogm are merely container formats, but they seem to be the ones used by people who actually know a damn thing about video encoding and produce good-looking videos, whereas other container formats generally contain crappy over-compressed video ripped by some n00b using Windows Media Player.)

But it doesn't look like anyone is really interested in doing that. Instead of trying to make piracy less attractive by making legal copies not worse and less accessible than illegal ones, they want to do it by pretty much legally destroying anyone who dares copy a file. So they'll just keep doing this. Push some new law that makes it punishable by death to so much as look at the shiny side of a DVD, and when people complain enough to stop it, tweak it a little in hopes they won't recognize it and push it again, and just keep trying until it goes through. And when it does, start again with an even more insane law! (see DMCA)

tl;dr this shit isn't going to stop until a) the legal system is fixed to prevent this kind of "just keep ramming it until it goes through" attack (hahahaha) or b) someone creates a sane business model and crushes them. (but the latter would encounter much difficulty due to licensing BS and so forth too...)

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Posted on 10-22-12 09:34:28 PM (last edited by Zelda Immortal at 10-22-12 09:35:46 PM)

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Open source projects may also be hit...
ACTA Would shut down most (if not all) filesharing sites including source repositories...
THIS WAS IN THE LAST EDITION!
So You May Have To Say Bye-Bye to Linux As you Know It...

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Posted on 10-23-12 05:53:51 AM

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I highly doubt this will kill the open source world. There are way too many activists who will keep it going. Richard Stallman will fight to the death to make sure of it, for example.

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Posted on 10-27-12 06:30:17 PM

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Honestly though, they really and truly need to reform the copyright law, with greater emphasis on the protection, implementation and correct interpretation of the Fair Use clause. In fact, there needs to be far more leniency provided towards derivative works which are protected under the terms of fair use...as it currently stands, Fair Use nearly doesn't make a bit of difference in the defense of the common person again infringement claims. Oh, but Keitaro, these people claiming fair use are actually really super hurting the copyright providers!!!!!!! Yeah, no. I produce music for a living, I know exactly how this affects us (read: insignificantly) .. in fact, I would argue that derivative works are more likely to incline people to check out the originals, thus increasing profit margins for the greedy fat cats who don't care about anything else...this, of course, also doesn't matter. As long as I am in entertainment, I will make sure that derivative works always have my blessing.

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