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Posted on 07-28-12 04:13:32 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Katelynn
It's not silly, it's entertaining. It'd be silly if the guy didn't get his panties in a knot over Xk's actions, which he clearly does. That is what makes it worth the time spent doing it and not silly.

Mostly agreeing... The fact that a lot of people think that he's a horrible administrator, combined with his absolute rage any time I get in, has made it something of a comedy whenever I do end up saying hi.

Even if I register another account and get around them for a few weeks/months, as soon as they find out it's me their heads explode and they go into beserker mode. It's hilarious, if kind of sad.

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Posted on 07-28-12 04:56:10 PM Link | Quote
Not unlike us, in a way, but we have a sense of humor about it, and then sometimes if we've seen peeps have legitimately changed for the better we let them stay.

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Posted on 07-28-12 07:10:53 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Bisqwit
However, while Xkeeper has (repeatedly) shown "I do not agree with you, and you do not seem to take me seriously, so I will deface you and proceed to be a general nuisance and an annoying brat" type tendencies, this is just silly.

I'd more say it's like "For some absurd reason you think I'm the earthly incarnation of all nine circles of hell so I will proceed to stick around to drive to up the wall simply because you deserve it" really.

It's not silly. It's just Xkeeper.

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All they'd have to do is ban him, be reasonable and go "Sorry but we don't want you here", and not fly into a towering rage/insanity fest every time, but that would be too hard for them to do. :p

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Posted on 07-29-12 01:02:28 AM Link | Quote
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Trolling is fun. I don't know much about these people aside from second-hand accounts, though, so I don't know if they're bad enough to deserve it.

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Posted on 07-29-12 01:12:18 AM Link | Quote
I am really on the fence when it comes to trolling. I mean, there are personal reasons why I am against it, and yet somehow I'm okay with it so long as it's lighthearted, in a way. I mean, the phrase 'You suck and go die' means something terrible, but at the same time groups of people will take it as just 'I believe what you're doing is dumb and you should stop'.

*shrug*

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Posted on 07-29-12 01:44:02 AM Link | Quote
I was once told by a gentleman...


Nothing beats a good trolling...


He then proceeded to jump onto a stack of ponies and furries and flew off into the sunset carrying his pimp cane with a massive smile.

Mind you, this all happened on Second Life...

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Posted on 07-29-12 05:06:21 PM (last edited by Aaendi at 07-29-12 06:11:32 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tina
Originally posted by Katelynn
It's not silly, it's entertaining. It'd be silly if the guy didn't get his panties in a knot over Xk's actions, which he clearly does. That is what makes it worth the time spent doing it and not silly.

Mostly agreeing... The fact that a lot of people think that he's a horrible administrator, combined with his absolute rage any time I get in, has made it something of a comedy whenever I do end up saying hi.

Even if I register another account and get around them for a few weeks/months, as soon as they find out it's me their heads explode and they go into beserker mode. It's hilarious, if kind of sad.


Oh no!!!, I've seen that same sprite drawing on another website, from a guy who had the same ROM hack, of a guy who posted a link to a blog, that a guy on another website had, that showed a picture of himself, that looks suspiciously like the guy in eroticfurries666's avatar!!!
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Posted on 08-12-12 11:45:36 PM (last edited by nineko at 08-12-12 11:51:46 PM) Link | Quote
Hello, people.

I can't believe I never noticed this topic until now, and I thank Andlabs for pointing me here.

I just wanted to say that I agree with you for the most part. Not so much about Adelikat, who obviously isn't a good administrator, but I don't have anything in particular against him. I mainly agree about DarkKobold being one of the worst people on this entire planet. Some of you even resorted to insult him (just like he likes to insult everyone who *gasp!* dares to have an opinion), but I don't want to take part in this game. Instead, I just feel sorry for him. He is probably a real nobody in his real life, so once someone made the error to give him powers on the internet, he just decided that abusing them in every possible way was a good idea.

I made mistakes in the past, and if you know me you can definitely agree. I've been banned from various places, even repeatedly, because I have a behavioural disorder and sometimes I haven't been able to control my actions. I've lost jobs and friends even in real life because of this, but I'm working hard on this and it's been several months since the last time I did something stupid, and I am happy with this. I always apologise whenever I realise I did something wrong, and I've always been grateful whenever I got a second chance. I don't like to do the same mistake twice.

However, the bottom line is, their strict policy on banned users is simply retarded.
For one, because despite DarkKobold said that they "do not give site perma-bans lightly", it is undoubtely true that they do tend to abuse their mod powers a lot, by locking topics and deleting posts all over the place whenever someone dares to disagree with the almighty admins (even whey they do something stupid, which happens surprisingly often, anyway). It looks like that they masturbate in joy whenever they have the chance to be rude with their userbase and ban as many people as possible. I thought the goal of any community was to grow, not to discourage newcomers from joining and participating (because, as Xkeeper himself said in this topic, lurkers often read posts on a forum for some time before they actually join, and it's obvious that any newcomer with an IQ higher than 5 will see how bad and impolite those administrators are, or how biased those judges are, but that's another story).
And also, because not giving people a second chance is just wrong and stupid beyond any limit. People can change over the time, not always and necessarily for the better, I am aware of that. But just like the worst criminals can get out of jail and start over with their lives I don't see what harm there would be into welcoming people into a forum a second time. If bad things happen again a new ban can just be issued, I don't see the problem with that. In every forum I administrate I always write this clearly in the rules, I hate to ban people and I do that only whenever it's really needed; I never issue permanent bans, and I always give people a second (and a third, and a fourth...) chance, always. DarkKobold from HIS experience learnt that if he's not accused of abusing his powers he's not doing his job right, well, from MY experience I learnt that if I *am* accused of doing something wrong there might be something true into it. I don't have a gigantic ego that makes me believe that I am perfect and that you're wrong by default. If someone says that I am a bad admin and that I'm doing something wrong, I won't ban him, I won't lock his topic, I won't delete his posts. Someone can even insult me if he wants, but I will always ask him why, and if there are any costructive criticisms I should be aware of.
The spirit on a forum shouldn't be "how dare you post on my elitist forum, I'll ban you just because I don't like the font you used to say 'hello' in your post", but "welcome here, new friend". This should apply to everyone, and to helpful people in particular. Which brings us to my next point.

They banned mmarks. One of the most active encoders at that time. Other people, including Mothrayas for example, said that mmarks would have been missed. And why was he banned? Because he created multiple accounts on multiple IPs, years before. DarkKobold, a few posts below, said that mmarks "started by trolling the site, and then became a useful member. I can't understand his motivation, at all". You don't *have* to understand his motivation. He did something (arguably) bad, now he's a respected member of the community (also note how DK said "useful" instead of "helpful", once again proving his rudeness towards people). Why ban someone who can provide a service for the site? I'd like to have dozens of users like mmarks on my forums, I'd never want to kick them away. And now I see they're being rude to Bisqwit himself too? Priceless. Even I was slightly affected by this: shortly after my ban they started the project with which they wanted to upload encodes of all the old movies, and I offered my help. I clearly stated that I didn't want to be unbanned, all I wanted was to help. But no, being helped by a banned user is just unacceptable. Again, if a banned user on one of my forums comes to me and say "hey I want to help with your website" I will never reply to him in such a way, but I'll gladly accept the offer, I might even see it as a way for that person to make up for his previous mistakes (again, something that happens also in real life, ever heard of community service?). I also laughed at the rest of DK's post where he said that I created multiple accounts just to mock Adelikat, since in that later topic about mmarks even they recognized that most of those accounts were created by mmarks himself. When I saw that post I definitely decided I didn't want to bother with tasvideos anymore, because they're a lost cause. Looking at this topic makes me feel less alone. For the record, since DarkKobold liked to mention my troubled past on Sonic Retro, I can add that after being unbanned from Sonic Retro I even became a moderator on there for a while (I even got admin powers for a few minutes when Tweaker asked my help to run a query on the database), and, without the goal to sound presumptuous, I will go ahead and say that I contributed quite a lot, both to the Sonic Retro Forum and the Sonic Retro Wiki in that timespan. So much for "a person in his late 20s who's not going to change" (I don't remember the exact words but this is something else your beloved DarkKobold once said about me in another topic).

... and it's not over yet. Some time ago, some German guy who goes by the name of Noob Irdoh (an anagram of Robin Hood, his real name is Michael something) joined the tasvideos forum. I know him because he joined one of my forums too in the past, and he's indeed quite stupid, but not a bad guy overall. For whatever reason they arbitrarily decided that he was me (apparently they're used to this, as by reading this topic I saw that it happened to that Inuyasha guy too) and they started to make his life impossible. They banned every IP address he used to post (at a point they even set up a script in the phpBB code that automatically banned any IP he was using whenever he posted something, literally), he made a topic to ask what rule he broke to be treated like that, but -- as you can easily guess -- that topic was quickly deleted by -- as you can easily guess -- DarkKobold. Not discouraged, he tried to work his way into the community by providing encodes (dodging the IP bans with several proxies), and several people appreciated him, but he shared mmarks's fate in the end. With a small difference: to avoid another topic where people would ask "why was he banned? He was such a nice guy" (which is bad, remember, people can't ask things), they didn't *ban* him, they just changed his password and his email, so he doesn't appear to be a banned user, but he can't log into his account in any way. He contacted me afterwards, he was desperate and still couldn't figure out why they would do such a thing, and I told him to take it easy, maybe I'll get him to post here as well if I'll ever have the chance to talk to him again.

I am sorry if I wrote such a long post, English isn't my primary language and I'm not even sure if I managed to convey what I wanted to express, but I was really happy when I saw this possibility to vent my feelings about how bad tasvideos is. And this isn't even all, I might add something eventually, but this can be enough for the first time.

Oh and Bizhawk is a retarded name, yes.
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Posted on 08-13-12 05:44:38 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by nineko
They banned mmarks. One of the most active encoders at that time. Other people, including Mothrayas for example, said that mmarks would have been missed. And why was he banned? Because he created multiple accounts on multiple IPs, years before.

Was it really years before? If he had abused ratings previously but hadn't done so for several months/years before the ban, that would be kind of odd and unreasonable; just remove the bad ratings (and maybe remove his ability to rate), but a ban is a bit of overkill for something that isn't happening any more.


DarkKobold, a few posts below, said that mmarks "started by trolling the site, and then became a useful member. I can't understand his motivation, at all".

DarkKobold is a terrible person, but I think everyone knows that.


... and it's not over yet. Some time ago, some German guy who goes by the name of Noob Irdoh (an anagram of Robin Hood, his real name is Michael something) joined the tasvideos forum. [...] but he shared mmarks's fate in the end. With a small difference: to avoid another topic where people would ask "why was he banned? He was such a nice guy" (which is bad, remember, people can't ask things), they didn't *ban* him, they just changed his password and his email, so he doesn't appear to be a banned user, but he can't log into his account in any way.

He contacted me afterwards, he was desperate and still couldn't figure out why they would do such a thing, and I told him to take it easy, maybe I'll get him to post here as well if I'll ever have the chance to talk to him again

Good grief. The last part is despicable. I don't understand someone could think that the appropriate solution to "People would react badly if I banned him" is to stealth-ban him by nuking the email and password fields.

Then again, it somehow doesn't surprise me that they would stoop to such lows, either. These are the same people who decided they would play god and make it impossible for people to play edited ROMs in their terrible emulator, because PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE


I am sorry if I wrote such a long post, English isn't my primary language and I'm not even sure if I managed to convey what I wanted to express, but I was really happy when I saw this possibility to vent my feelings about how bad tasvideos is. And this isn't even all, I might add something eventually, but this can be enough for the first time.

The only problem with your post is that it could stand to be broken up more. Your sentences go on much longer than average and blend multiple thoughts together, and your paragraphs tend to contain a lot of text that could be split up sometimes to make reading easier. Other than that, it's good.

Then again, English is by no means an easy language

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Posted on 08-13-12 08:55:45 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
a ban is a bit of overkill for something that isn't happening any more.
Exactly, not to mention that he didn't get any warning (as far as we know). And I didn't get a warning when I was banned, either. One day you wake up and you find yourself banned, and you have to find out why it happened (*if* they're going to tell you, since there is this "let's keep it secret and pretend nothing happened" policy).

I swear, I wish I could make a TAS of SMB1 that beats the current record by 30 seconds or so just to prove how retarded their policies are. Movies created by banned users can't be accepted, but movies submitted by other people must beat all the existing records (in theory; in practice we've seen that this rule can be arbitrarily waived for certain people). Still, it would be an interesting situation, too bad that it's not going to happen.

As a comparison, on OverClocked ReMix (another website with very retarded strict policies about bans), they *do* allow banned users to submit remixes, and in the past some users were actually unbanned after they submitted a good remix (still in the "do something good, get a second chance" spirit I mentioned in my previous post). Intentionally depriving your website from something good is just masochistic, there's no other way to define it.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post and comment on it, by the way. I can always appreciate some tips about my writing style, and in the future I'll try to apply what you said
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The refuge of any weak administrator is dirty tricks and being able to exile anyone for just disagreeing with them. It is no surprise though, as the policy of making contributors into admins is probably the worst succession policy imaginable.

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Posted on 08-14-12 03:36:08 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by nineko
I am sorry if I wrote such a long post, English isn't my primary language and I'm not even sure if I managed to convey what I wanted to express


Better English than 90% of the US population, that's for sure.

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Posted on 08-16-12 04:43:12 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal_Man88
the policy of making contributors into admins is probably the worst succession policy imaginable.

You do need administrators though. When your regular administrator does not have time for the job, how do you suggest recruiting replacements should really go?
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Posted on 08-16-12 05:30:09 AM (last edited by Metal_Man88 at 08-16-12 05:50:36 AM) Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Bisqwit
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the policy of making contributors into admins is probably the worst succession policy imaginable.

You do need administrators though. When your regular administrator does not have time for the job, how do you suggest recruiting replacements should really go?


I've managed to do two things with my own projects.

A. Continue it anyway.

Even with not enough time to give it enough effort, it's a much safer bet than to rely on someone else.

B. Based upon my observations, appoint someone else as a sub-admin.

They have powers to do what is needed. But at any time I can swoop in and yank the carpet out from under them. If they do well, then I never need to use that. If they vanish, I can just go back to A and begin looking for new admins. If they do poorly, then I can simply remove them, which I have actually done before.

As such no one has ever gotten the chance to ruin something I ran--I always held veto power, and have insta-overthrown people who tried to run things into the ground. Tyrannical as it may be... depressingly, it seems to be something that's likely to be used, no matter how much you may think a person was good for the job at the time.

e: Though I will note that my specialty seems to be in maintaining sites at the expense of my social life, so, my advice probably wouldn't have been something you'd have gone with or been able to do, given you probably were 100% disconnected instead of checking in every so often. I dunno. Arguably you came out the better self development wise if my information is correct, while someone like me is the master of sitting in a chair and talking to random strangers with text and little else. Pick your poison, I guess.

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Posted on 08-16-12 10:45:07 AM (last edited by Bisqwit at 08-16-12 11:22:40 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal_Man88
Pick your poison, I guess.

That is what I think too.

In retrospect, I cannot see much that I could have done differently.
Maybe I could have communicated better that my intention was not really to dump and cut everything immediately, the misunderstanding of which caused a lot of rushed decisions to be made without consulting me, and a lot of bitterness targeted at me.

And I did want the hosting burden out from my hands. Not that it was really a burden for me, but I figured that things may change in my life soon in such manner, that if the site is still in my hands that day, I cannot guarantee being able to keep the site online or functional.*
For months, absolutely nothing was happening in the regard of the site not running in my kitchen, until I set a hard deadline.

And I did not have time to maintain the site beyond rudimentary tasks such as judging, editing and moderating. For a long time already, the lack of action from me had caused delays at many fronts, such as acceptance of new platforms or in adding features to the site. I really needed people to step up to it. Unfortunately, I did not have any framework that would faciliate partial migrations of responsibilities on certain areas, nor time to develop those, so I had to go for a full move.

Unfortunately the policy for the new guys seems to be that privileges that aren't getting utilized will lose their warranty, so there's not much that I can even do this day, given my lack of continuous commitment to the site today.

*) So far though, things have not changed in such manner yet. I still have the same server running in my kitchen, with mostly the same hardware, and since the beginning of this month with even a better network connection than I had that day. But I am still perpetually two-three months away from everything changing in an unpredictable manner. Employedness is one of the biggest foreseeable factors. Back then, the two biggest foreseeable factors were the world economy coming crashing down, followed by famine and persecution (it happens, but at a slower pace than I expected) and God taking me around the world to do stuff (it also happens, but at a slower pace than I expected).

) There is a principle in scheduling, that every layer of scheduling adds some percentage to the estimated cost in time. For example, if the developer says it will take two hours, the manager will communicate that it will take four hours and the salesman will sell it as taking seven hours. If the developer ends up exceeding their initial budget of two hours, as often happens, there is still a buffer of five hours before the production cost exceeds the sales price. In the army, if the battalion commander says there is two hours until some event, the captain under him will communicate that there is 1,5 hours remaining, and the sargeant under him that there's just 1 hour. In the end, the mooks will scamper and hurry to get there in time, and after arriving, end up waiting idle for an hour. But at least they are there in time. And that is what was happening with the “deadline” that I gave.
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Posted on 08-16-12 08:24:32 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Bisqwit
There is a principle in scheduling, that every layer of scheduling adds some percentage to the estimated cost in time. For example, if the developer says it will take two hours, the manager will communicate that it will take four hours and the salesman will sell it as taking seven hours.

I wish I lived in your fantasy world. I have never seen anything but the opposite, where the developer says 5 hours and the sales team turns around and says one hour.

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These past few posts made me think of that.

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Posted on 08-17-12 07:27:30 AM (last edited by Bisqwit at 08-17-12 07:28:48 AM) Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Bisqwit
There is a principle in scheduling, that every layer of scheduling adds some percentage to the estimated cost in time. For example, if the developer says it will take two hours, the manager will communicate that it will take four hours and the salesman will sell it as taking seven hours.

I wish I lived in your fantasy world. I have never seen anything but the opposite, where the developer says 5 hours and the sales team turns around and says one hour.

It is all too bad that you work in a stupidly managed company.

It is common knowledge in this profession that programmers are overly optimistic in their time estimates. Any manager worth their salt knows that unless they add some buffer to it, sooner or later they will end up with projects that exceed their budgets in both time and cost.

Programmers generally aren't in the habit of doing like Scotty, i.e. holding something back so they can satisfy inevitable and yet unreasonable "I need more" requests. Unless they're desperately in the need of vacation.
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Originally posted by Gabu
Better English than 90% of the US population, that's for sure.

That is definitely true.

Originally posted by Xkeeper
I wish I lived in your fantasy world. I have never seen anything but the opposite, where the developer says 5 hours and the sales team turns around and says one hour.


That's how it is at my company often, unfortunately.

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