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Posted on 07-21-12 06:23:56 AM Link | Quote
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And do you have a better idea then?

Let's see... how about not having assault rifles available to civilians?

You know, just as a starting point.

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Posted on 07-21-12 02:59:25 PM (last edited by paulguy at 07-21-12 02:59:54 PM) Link | Quote
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You people are all responding way too much on emotion with this issue. Consider logic and think of the whole situation instead of just <respond to previous post with rebuttal>.

Less or more availability of guns probably would not have prevented some insane person from doing SOMETHING insane to the effect he did, including getting a gun illegally and doing it anyway... and some people are clever enough to make their own guns. This was not really likely caused by any kind of outside force (video games, tv, movies, etc., though I'm sure his parenting was pretty sub-par.) aside from some mental illness that wasn't properly caught, dealt with, or simply contained.

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Posted on 07-21-12 06:10:21 PM Link | Quote

this is just horrible

a fucking terrorist attack in a movie theater

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Posted on 07-21-12 06:36:36 PM (last edited by Stigandr at 07-21-12 06:38:13 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by paulguy
Less or more availability of guns probably would not have prevented some insane person from doing SOMETHING insane to the effect he did, including getting a gun illegally and doing it anyway...

True. But if he didn't have a goddamn assault rifle, odds are he wouldn't have been able to shoot as many people. And, while I'm here, "we can't stop all of it, so we may as well not stop any of it" is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard.

EDIT: Nah, cutting it to the important bit.

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Posted on 07-21-12 08:47:38 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by paulguy
You people are all responding way too much on emotion with this issue.

I dare you to tell that to people of Aurora.

Originally posted by paulguy
Consider logic and think of the whole situation instead of just <respond to previous post with rebuttal>.

Because "let's remove legal public access to automatic assault rifles" isn't a logical way to stop people from, y'know, casually murdering movie patrons with automatic assault rifles.


Also, this is going to make my job weird over the next few days. I'm not allowed to let the media into the theaters, and I'm not allowed to talk about the incident past the usual canned "we are saddened by it please direct your concerns to Herp Derpson, VP of communications, blah blah blah" if they ask me. And seeing that I work at the largest movie theater in the greater Vancouver area, I think I might have to deal with some news people...

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You people are all responding way too much on emotion with this issue. Consider logic and think of the whole situation instead of just <respond to previous post with rebuttal>.



Yeah, I don't really see emotional reactions solving a problem which ultimately would be next to impossible to predict. Remember: Making weapons illegal doesn't prevent people planning to break the law from illegally obtaining them.

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Posted on 07-22-12 12:25:35 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal_Man88
Originally posted by paulguy
You people are all responding way too much on emotion with this issue. Consider logic and think of the whole situation instead of just <respond to previous post with rebuttal>.



Yeah, I don't really see emotional reactions solving a problem which ultimately would be next to impossible to predict. Remember: Making weapons illegal doesn't prevent people planning to break the law from illegally obtaining them.

It does, however, make it more annoying than going to a hunter safety class and filling out a bit of paperwork. It's so stupidly easy to legally acquire just about any gun here.

If it were an illegal trade, however, it would probably be like a drug circle, where some buyers are simply robbed and shot. That kind of deals with the mass murder problem, at least in this scenario.

No, it wouldn't solve the problem, but neither is giving everyone access to firearms. At the very least, the US should harshly limit the amount of ammunition that can be purchased in a 5-year period. Instead, Republicans will simply say that this nation needs more God and less terror and pray instead of actually do anything to combat it.

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Posted on 07-22-12 12:40:04 AM (last edited by Dr. Ether at 07-22-12 12:46:54 AM) Link | Quote
Oh, boy, time to check back on this thread! Haven't looked at it since I last posted; I hope someone has some insight or news on it, like what his motive was or something that I haven't heard on the news yet, since I haven't caught up on the latest reports yet. That would be intere-

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Posted on 07-22-12 02:48:57 AM (last edited by paulguy at 07-22-12 02:49:46 AM) Link | Quote
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I'm more saying that the guy is insane and if he didn't shoot up a movie theater, he probably would've done something else. It's impossible to predict what a change in the system, whether increasing or decreasing gun availability by whatever means would've made it more or less probably that he would've done something, and that goes for basically any kind of change to the system that could've been made. You're all looking for something to blame based on a knee-jerk reaction and it's not logical. It's pretty much entirely that guy's fault. It was likely unavoidable given the state of things when he did it. He didn't rouse enough suspicion of his dangerousness to warrant someone doing anything about it, or even noticing.

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Posted on 07-22-12 03:34:52 AM Link | Quote
The motive? The closest thing that was said about his motive was that MSNBC claimed the he said he was the Joker.

I'm somewhat doubtful of this, as it is probably just buzz because of the movie. So far, there is no official release of what his motive may be or whether he actually had one aside from wanting to kill a bunch of people.

As far as the Joker is concerned, a quote from The Dark Knight is rather relevant -- "Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." This man isn't a comic book villain, he is a monster.

The reason why the thread took the direction it did is because he, well, used guns. I started the gun debate, I suppose, mostly because I was irritated by the fact that some of my friends defended James Holmes as a gun owner. This man took lives, there is nothing glorious about that. Would it have been different if somebody in the audience had a gun as well? Maybe, maybe not.

Anyway, my views about gun rights are my opinion, and I don't mind if people disagree with it. I'm simply tired of the same counter argument or the phrase, "you either own a gun or you're a victim". A more accurate appraisal would be, "you either own a gun or you don't own a gun", right?

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Posted on 07-22-12 08:05:09 PM (last edited by Typhoid at 07-22-12 08:10:51 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kazinsal
Originally posted by paulguy
You people are all responding way too much on emotion with this issue.

I dare you to tell that to people of Aurora.

Originally posted by paulguy
Consider logic and think of the whole situation instead of just <respond to previous post with rebuttal>.

Because "let's remove legal public access to automatic assault rifles" isn't a logical way to stop people from, y'know, casually murdering movie patrons with automatic assault rifles.


Also, this is going to make my job weird over the next few days. I'm not allowed to let the media into the theaters, and I'm not allowed to talk about the incident past the usual canned "we are saddened by it please direct your concerns to Herp Derpson, VP of communications, blah blah blah" if they ask me. And seeing that I work at the largest movie theater in the greater Vancouver area, I think I might have to deal with some news people...


Funny because I'm pretty sure he said "You people" not "the people of Aurora."

He didn't have an automatic assault rifle. And no, removing legal public access to assault rifles wouldn't necessarily prevent things like this from happening. If a criminal or soon-to-be criminal wants to shoot people, he's going to shoot people.

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Originally posted by Typhoid
I believe that if there were more people who carried, there might have been someone in the crowd who could've shot back.

I think this is a ridiculous statement to make, considering the specifics of this situation- the fact that he was apparently armored and used tear gas would seem to show he was expecting the possibility that someone might try to fight back... I think it's problematic how many people are immediately rushing to claim this tragedy would have been prevented by their particular opinion on gun laws :/


Alright, I'll admit here I wasn't correct due to the body armor. He was smart enough to come prepared. Overall, however, I feel murder sprees in general could be prevented by weapon owners as most don't armor up like that.
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Posted on 07-22-12 09:11:26 PM Link | Quote
but thanks to this situation, now they probably will. The really scary thing is that many of these murderers are incredibly intelligent people, and as such they tend to leave very little over-looked. I think that's the part that's the most frightening, the level of planning that went in to this. My condolences to the victims :/
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People thinking it out that much is very uncommon though yeah, when they do it's pretty bad. Most shootings are just disorganized crap related to drugs or something.

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Posted on 07-23-12 01:54:05 AM Link | Quote



What fucking gets me is that 14 people are dead and 50 are injured for no good reason.

Many people lost a life and others have their life's dramatically changed for them forever (physically and mentally) though the actions of one person who no-one saw this coming from. A lot of people are asking who to blame, I just want to know how to avoid this kind of thing in the future.

You couldn't arrest the bloke until the act was done, and no one knew this guy was planning an attack like this.

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Posted on 07-23-12 02:19:54 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by vinnyboiler
I just want to know how to avoid this kind of thing in the future.
I'm not sure there's much you can do. Mental illness can sometimes be very unpredictable and strike very suddenly. How do you prevent something when there are no indicators that it's even going to happen?

Not saying that's necessarily the case here, but it does happen...

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Posted on 07-23-12 04:28:58 AM Link | Quote
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Yep, that's just reality. Just try not to think about it too much.

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