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Posted on 06-13-12 07:02:49 AM Link | Quote
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*phub* WHEEEEEEEE!

You could call it a pipe dream.

That’s how the BBC refers to it on its website, where a feature story reports that one day soon, trains traveling through vacuum tunnels could whisk passengers from New York to London in an hour, hitting speeds of up 2,500 mph.

Reverse the journey, and you could leave the UK at noon and arrive in Manhattan at 8 a.m. the same day.

The key is in the vacuum. Suck the air out of a transatlantic tunnel, and you eliminate resistance to the vehicle. In the oceanic version, engineers would tether the tunnel at a fixed depth.

The “vactrain” is not a new concept. Robert Goddard, who created the first liquid fuel rocket, designed a prototype over 100 years ago, with the idea of zipping people around between U.S. cities. But they haven’t been economically feasible, or even fast enough.

Now, the latest concept in vactrains could make the difference. It combines the technology with magnetic levitation, in theory supporting speeds of up to 2500 mph according to the BBC. That’s an order of magnitude faster than today’s high speed rail, which tends to travel at just under 200 mph.

American engineer Daryl Oster has designed a 6-person capsule traveling through a 1.5 meter (5 feet) diameter vacuum tube. He has sold 60 licenses for his patented evacuated tube transport (ETT) technology, including 12 to China.

Oster likes to refer to it as “space travel on Earth.” The website for his Crystal River, Fl. company ET3 (it describes itself as an “open consortium’), boasts possible speeds of up to 4,000 mph, faster even than the 2,500 mph reported by the BBC.

It claims that it could “provide 50 times more transportation per kWh (kilowatt hour) than electric cars or trains,” that construction would cost a tenth of high-speed rail and a quarter of freeways, and that a New York-to-Beijing trip would take 2 hours.

“New York to L.A. in 45 minutes,” it states.

In the BBC story, Oster says the train could be ready in less than 10 years. The most ideal implementations would be between cities separated by dry, flat unpopulated terrain that doesn’t freeze, he notes, adding that China and India hold the most promise.

Another vactrain developer, Dr. James Powell - the co-inventor of Maglev transportation technology and also a nuclear inventor - has proposed a system called Startram that would launch objects into orbit from a cannon-like tunnel.

The idea has plenty of supporters, including MIT’s Ernst G. Frankel, emeritus professor of mechanical engineering and ocean engineering, who experimented with “evacuated tubes” in the 1990s. Frankel proposed a Boston-to-New York vactrain that would take 40 minutes, compared to the normal 4 hours. But it would not have outperformed existing bullet train technologies from Japan and China.

MIT’s Frankel says the time is now right.

“Our rail technology is almost 100 years old,” he tells the BBC. “Our airways are becoming terribly congested, and getting to, from and through airports is very time consuming.”

Vactrains certainly have been a fixture of science fiction.

“Vacuum trains do feature in movies like Star Trek and Logan’s Run,” notes the BBC. “Whilst in the dystopian future of Farenheit 451, Ray Bradbury describes a ’silent air-propelled train’ that ’slid soundlessly down its lubricated flue in the earth’.”

Is this the last step before teleporting? While “beam me up Scotty” isn’t around the corner, perhaps “Hoover me up” is. Vactrains may one day give a whole new, positive, meaning to H. Ross Perot’s old derogatory “giant sucking sound” phrase.

Honestly, I've wondered for ages why these don't already exist. Just not feasible, I guess. Will be awesome if they start getting built. Being able to hop on a train and head to another continent the way you can currently go to the next city on a whim would really make things interesting.

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Posted on 06-13-12 07:21:49 AM Link | Quote
Definitely sounds awesome. I guess the reason it hasn't been done before is feasibility and practicality. We could have attempted it years ago, but it would have come out as either inefficient or a disaster.


That said, I'm still worried about safety. A vacuum tube beneath the ocean needs to be a lot stronger than a tunnel with air. Furthermore, with the vacuum inside, one breach means that water won't just start leaking in, but will be sucked in. What's more, the vehicles would be traveling at speeds of over 2000mph. Colliding with a wall of water at that speed would instantly kill everyone onboard. If there was an emergency, the train would still cover a tremendous amount of distance in the time it takes to stop at a safe rate, like normal trains. At max speed, the train would cover 1 km a second. Even if a breach happened 10 miles away, you might not be able to stop in time. And considering how important a feat like this would be, it would be a very big target. And that's not even covering what would happen if there was a power failure of some kind.


But other than that, yay trains!

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Posted on 06-13-12 10:36:27 AM Link | Quote
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Or a breach in the capsule turning the passengers in to a fine reddish mist.

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Posted on 06-13-12 12:52:07 PM Link | Quote
2500 mph + Accident = Painful.

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Posted on 06-13-12 12:54:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by SamuelEarl666
2500 mph + Accident = Painful.

So is 200mph.

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Posted on 06-13-12 01:01:37 PM Link | Quote
Nice idea, but I honestly don't see this working.

So many things could go wrong, and would a human even have the ability to survive at that speed?
I mean, it's going to be quite a few Gs at least.


Plus, with all these earthquakes and such, keeping a submerged pipe from warping and cracking under one is going to be hard..

Hell, they need to focus on better inland public transport, hell, I can't even get to Manchester from Cornwall without spending 10 hours on a bus/train and paying upwards of £150...

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Posted on 06-13-12 01:12:14 PM Link | Quote
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Humans can survive at any velocity. The earth isn't still in the universe, you know. It's acceleration that kills you, and changes in acceleration that can splatter you.

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Posted on 06-13-12 04:11:24 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Nicole
Originally posted by SamuelEarl666
2500 mph + Accident = Painful.

So is 200mph.

So is 50mph.

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Posted on 06-13-12 07:58:51 PM Link | Quote
This concept is fundamentally insane. I doubt the pros even begin to come close to matching the cons.

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Posted on 06-13-12 08:09:37 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Lady Crabbyboss
Originally posted by Nicole
Originally posted by SamuelEarl666
2500 mph + Accident = Painful.

So is 200mph.

So is 50mph.

So is 5mph.

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Posted on 06-13-12 09:31:06 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gabu
Originally posted by Lady Crabbyboss
Originally posted by Nicole
Originally posted by SamuelEarl666
2500 mph + Accident = Painful.

So is 200mph.

So is 50mph.

So is 5mph.

Well thats could happen if you're not in the vehicle. The First person to get run over by a car died when the car was only going 4mph.

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Posted on 06-13-12 11:52:27 PM (last edited by Lady Crabbyboss at 06-13-12 11:56:19 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by SamuelEarl666
Originally posted by Gabu
Originally posted by Lady Crabbyboss
Originally posted by Nicole
Originally posted by SamuelEarl666
2500 mph + Accident = Painful.

So is 200mph.

So is 50mph.

So is 5mph.

Well thats could happen if you're not in the vehicle. The First person to get run over by a car died when the car was only going 4mph.

I think we have a winner. Found a usurper:


Anyway, I'm pretty sure the actual risk of this would be rather low. Also considering how quick and efficient this method of travel would be, I foresee it being more affordable than an airline ticket.

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Posted on 06-23-12 02:38:55 AM Link | Quote
I think so long as they ironed out as many of the potential danger quirks that was possible with this method of transportation, I'd be for it. I'd love to even try it out myself.

I have to wonder just how much such a thing would cost though. It intrigues me.

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Posted on 06-27-12 05:21:33 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Rena
Another vactrain developer, Dr. James Powell - the co-inventor of Maglev transportation technology and also a nuclear inventor - has proposed a system called Startram that would launch objects into orbit from a cannon-like tunnel.

This has me thinking of someone pointing a 1/2 mile tube into the sky and launching a train out of it. The train wouldn't meet the escape velocity of the planet and now you've got a 120 ton train full of people raining down on a city.

I'm laughing so hard imagining this situation.

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This has me thinking of someone pointing a 1/2 mile tube into the sky and launching a train out of it. The train wouldn't meet the escape velocity of the planet and now you've got a 120 ton train full of people raining down on a city.

I'm laughing so hard imagining this situation.

I laughed WAY too hard at that.

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Posted on 06-27-12 02:08:37 PM (last edited by Viola at 06-27-12 02:10:29 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by paulguy
Humans can survive at any velocity. The earth isn't still in the universe, you know. It's acceleration that kills you, and changes in acceleration that can splatter you.









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