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Posted on 04-15-12 01:23:53 AM (last edited by Keitaro at 04-14-12 10:25 PM) Link | Quote
...how do you figure it's the "same" when the only thing that is the same is the region that it takes place in, itself drastically revamped? This isn't like a third version where the storyline was changed slightly and a battle frontier stuck in. Also, pretty sure Gen 1 had FOUR games, yellow the only of which being drastically different and even then not by that much, and yet that's apparently the "best" gen to most people
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Posted on 04-15-12 06:48:46 AM Link | Quote
On a complete sidenote, I found my Pokemon Crystal cart from a drawer. Perhaps I should start playing it again... too bad I've sold my Pokemon Blue. Could've traded that Mew over. :/

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Posted on 04-16-12 12:55:03 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Keitaro
and yet that's apparently the "best" gen to most people

Really? I always saw people saying that about 2. I thought first gen was pretty well established as being an acceptable start, but horribly balanced and with a lot of stupid little annoyances.

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Posted on 04-17-12 03:11:36 AM Link | Quote
Eh, I guess I'm being drowned out by all the hipsters who refuse to acknowledge the existence of anything post-151. I sort of want to choke those people ;x
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Posted on 04-17-12 03:17:14 AM Link | Quote
You can answer that kind of snobbishness with a single word.

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Posted on 04-17-12 04:42:29 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shadic
Meet the new game, same as the old game.


Take a closer look at the region map.


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Posted on 04-20-12 01:43:38 AM Link | Quote
I'm definitely looking forward to B2&W2, though i'll be getting Black2. My fiancee on the other hand will be getting White 2. Personally I think the new protagonists look better than Hilda and Hilbert. But their rival just looks strange. :\ However I am disappointed that it's not being released on the 3DS, but it wouldn't be the first time they did this. :V And since this is the General Pokemon thread, i'll go ahead and say it my favorite generation is definitely Gen I, then Gen II, Gen III, GenV, and finally GenIV. (Personally GenIV wasn't that great because the framerate was so slow. x.X)
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Posted on 05-09-12 07:39:53 AM Link | Quote
Post #4741 · 05-09-12 02:39:53 AM
So, how the shit do you get to Palette Town in Soul Silver? I've beaten all the gyms except Cinnabar, Pewter and Viridian because I can't reach them. The route west from Cerulean is blocked by cliffs, south from Fuchsia by construction, and west from the Victory Road building by some jerk who won't let me through.

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Posted on 05-09-12 07:41:37 AM Link | Quote
You have to go through Diglett Cave.

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Posted on 05-09-12 06:52:35 PM Link | Quote
Comparing generations can be a tricky thing. Every game added something, not just talking pokemon creatures, but I'm talking about features.
Daycare/Breeding/Berries for Gen 2
BattleTower/Contest for Gen 3
PokeTeck/PalPark for Gen 4
DreamWorld/Wifi features for Gen 5

Obviously Gen 1 started the craze and will always hold a more special place in my gaming heart since it sparked the Gotta Catch em All fever that has lasted for a decade+

But I sincerely cannot rank the gens that easily. From a pure "time played" standpoint Diamond dominates all other games since I spent so much time on it getting all previous Gens into it. Interestingly enough, for Black 75% of time spent playing was doing that arrow shooting mini game to get 6 older gen pokemon at a time.

I've never cared for the story in any of the games, so that's a wash.


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Posted on 05-09-12 07:01:50 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Raven
I'm definitely looking forward to B2&W2


I'm not. Maybe I just don't like the series anymore... but this series has gone way downhill in my opinion. Gen 1 and 2 were the best, and I enjoyed Gen 3. Gen 4 was a little much, but it was redeeming in some ways.

But Gen V has basically killed me as a fan. I just don't see what's so great about it. I honestly think the games have been getting worse every time they are released. I can't even begin to tell you how depressed rotation battles make me.

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Posted on 05-09-12 07:26:15 PM Link | Quote
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Well, personally I think if you don't like the later games of a series, it means you HAVE stopped liking the series itself anymore; even though you still like individual games.

I mean, for all I retroactively beat and hate Gen. I more with each game, I still appreciate it for the sake of being part of the series. But the other way around it means you don't like where it has gone, so the logical thing to do is to just leave it.
Or do you seriously expect it to start going backwards and undoing things? Because that simply can't happen.

Basically what I mean is that being a fan of games and being a fan of the series as a whole are two different things.


On another note, I'm annoyed at everyone wanting BW2 for the 3DS. What's the point of that? Not many people have a 3DS, and plenty of them are the direct audience of the games-- they need to be playable on the DS because they can't risk losing sales of these games.

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Posted on 05-09-12 11:57:58 PM Link | Quote
I'm not saying it should be on the 3DS, I'm just questioning why it's not.

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Posted on 05-10-12 01:21:57 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by AlexAR
Comparing generations can be a tricky thing. Every game added something, not just talking pokemon creatures, but I'm talking about features.
Daycare/Breeding/Berries for Gen 2
BattleTower/Contest for Gen 3
PokeTeck/PalPark for Gen 4
DreamWorld/Wifi features for Gen 5

I believe the battle tower was actually added in Crystal, and daycare (no breeding) was in Gen 1.

On a battle mechanics note, there were also the new types and the desperately needed special stat split in Gen 2, abilities and natures in 3... I'm trying to think of what 4 and 5 added to battle mechanics, but I'm coming up blank.

These aren't as easily noticed as things like Contests, but they do have a significant impact.

There's also double, triple, and rotation battles, but double are the only special ones worth a damn IMO...

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Posted on 05-10-12 01:30:31 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Reshiram
Well, personally I think if you don't like the later games of a series, it means you HAVE stopped liking the series itself anymore; even though you still like individual games.

I mean, for all I retroactively beat and hate Gen. I more with each game, I still appreciate it for the sake of being part of the series. But the other way around it means you don't like where it has gone, so the logical thing to do is to just leave it.
Or do you seriously expect it to start going backwards and undoing things? Because that simply can't happen.

Basically what I mean is that being a fan of games and being a fan of the series as a whole are two different things.



This makes perfect sense.

Rather than hate the roots of the series, those were the games I found most enjoyable. I hate the direction it's taking. It may be "evolving" but I think ironically the steps forward take the series itself backwards. I'm not even 100% sure what has changed my mind. I find blue and red about a million times more fun than Black and White were. Not to say they were horrid games, it's just confusing what's so different that I can't bring myself to enjoy them.

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Posted on 05-10-12 02:06:01 AM (last edited by Reshiram at 05-10-12 02:06:46 AM) Link | Quote
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And that's perfectly okay. I mean, they are just games, of course they'll have things that won't please everyone.

And when a series runs on a "main series" of games such as this one, things that change in these games drive the series itself. So the games displeasing former fans has larger repercussions, eventually leading into disliking the "new" series. (Just see the Sonic fandom for a more extreme case... )

But yeah, don't force yourself into liking something you don't nor anything. My only problem aren't those who simply like the first games, but those who go around calling themselves "true fans".


On that note, you might want to look into some Gen I and II hacks. They generally are of high quality (those that are minimally serious, at least), particularly Pokémon Brown is really good for being a Red hack.

Also I guess side-games would be relatively extempt, deppending on what exactly you don't like, but even then you can always think of them for themselves rather than Pokémon games... right?



I'm trying to think of what 4 and 5 added to battle mechanics

Gen IV added the move class split, which screwed over some pokémon, was great for some others, but ultimately was a pretty significant change.

Gen V... uh... I guess in itself it added nothing, but touched previous concepts? Pokémon now could have more abilities, you could do multiplayer battles using items, etc.
But that's not much at all. So yeah, it added nothing. :V

Actually, back when information on it was showing up, I thought it would add the concept of grass/water/fire pledge or fusion flare/bolt, where a move has an effect on another/the field, to most moves, allowing for combos and yet another layer in the battles... Though that'd have probably gotten too complex

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Posted on 05-10-12 02:18:40 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Reshiram
So the games displeasing former fans has larger repercussions, eventually leading into disliking the "new" series. (Just see the Sonic fandom for a more extreme case... )



I'm like that sort of. I grew up as a huge fan of the originals on the Genesis. The Genesis was my system from the age of 3-6 (when I got an N64). I continued playing the Genesis from time to time though. And Sonic was my favorite by far. The only "new" games I've really liked in that series were Generations and Adventure Series.

Originally posted by Reshiram


But yeah, don't force yourself into liking something you don't nor anything. My only problem aren't those who simply like the first games, but those who go around calling themselves "true fans".




That irritates me more than anything. I don't get the "true fan" argument. If you like a game, you like it. If you don't, you do not. If you like the old games, then you are a fan of the old series. If you are a fan of the new games, you are a fan of the new series. If you like both, then you are a fan of both. It's not a problem, you just have a different taste. I think true fans are the ones who shut up and play the games. Rather than complain about how the new games have gone downhill or the old games sucked.

Originally posted by Reshiram


On that note, you might want to look into some Gen I and II hacks. They generally are of high quality (those that are minimally serious, at least), particularly Pokémon Brown is really good for being a Red hack.




I've actually played a really healthy amount of hacks. I find them almost all the time, and find some generally interesting ones. Some I play... are just terrible, but that's the joy of playing the hacks. They won't all be gems. One of my favorites has to be Brown honestly.

Originally posted by Reshiram

Also I guess side-games would be relatively extempt, deppending on what exactly you don't like, but even then you can always think of them for themselves rather than Pokémon games... right?



I like some of the side games in the series. Pokemon Snap, Pokemon Channel, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, etc...

I just like Pokemon games as a whole. I've always been a huge fan of the series (up until a few years ago) and have come to appreciate how far it's come. I pretty much grew up with the series, so it's nice to see it still around, even if I don't really care for Black or White, et all. (even though as we speak, I actually have Black loaded, and am leveling the pokemon, because of the unique experience it offers.)

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Posted on 05-10-12 02:42:20 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Reshiram


I'm trying to think of what 4 and 5 added to battle mechanics

Gen IV added the move class split, which screwed over some pokémon, was great for some others, but ultimately was a pretty significant change.
Ah, right. I knew I was missing something.

It's a shame Flareon still wasn't salvaged. Flareon, Flare Blitz, come on Gamefreak...

B&W did add EXP scaling, but that's largely insignificant.

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