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Posted on 03-29-12 11:18:03 PM (last edited by Koolboyman at 03-29-12 08:19 PM) Link | Quote
This is somewhat of a rant, so you know what you're getting yourself into. Also a wall of text. You have been warned.

I created two ROM Hacks called Pokemon Brown and Pokemon Prism, both have had incomplete versions released to the public. Something to bide the time while people wait for the final version.

The problem here is, people download these ROM Hacks, upload them to wherever the hell they want and it becomes impossible to contact some of these people and explain to them that there's a newer version out and to either get them to remove it, or update it explaining where you can always find the latest version.

So I've made maybe, the "mistake" of releasing these things when they weren't fully done. People are still playing the 2008 version of Prism on youtube and complaining about things I've already put into consideration and fixed in a public version. Hell, people here and there are finding the 2004 version of Brown which is almost a decade old.

I am not blaming the people downloading the ROM hacks off of these websites. They see a list of ROMs and think "Pokemon Prism might be cool", and download it.

I've contacted ROM sites who were hosting my hack. Some of them understood and removed the ROM after I asked them too. However there are certain sites that are just impossible.

Example is Doperoms. The person in charge of that site, politely stating, is a complete moron. I sent him a polite email about a half a year ago linking to my outdated ROM Hacks and asked if he could remove them. He told me and told me that the ROMS were not downloadable, which I quickly found out was a lie because I downloaded it right after I read his message. He then stopped responding to me I tried to contact him two other times (latest was about 2 weeks ago). I guess he might have blocked my email, but the site policy reads:

"If there are any developers that do not wish their games to be listed in the database, please send an email, and they will be promptly removed."

Which he failed to uphold and makes me believe he does this not only to ROM hackers, but people who actually developed real games that are being hosted on that site. To make matters worse about this site, is I see people playing the 2008 version on Youtube (I do a serach for my ROM Hacks on youtube every 2-3 weeks). I send them messages asking where they got the ROM and they told me: Doperoms.

Like I said, I'm not blaming the people downloading it from these sites, but when people download it and think that's all your ROM hack has to offer (The ROMS dont even come with the readmes I made for releases as well), it's disappointing knowing that they could have played a much better hack if the people in charge of the site would just listen. It's not like Brown and Prism are the most popular ROMs on the site or anything (and I'm sure it's VERY far from it), so it puzzles me why he would be so resistant to remove or even, UPDATE with a better version?

I know it's probably not as big of a deal as say, someone selling your ROM Hack (Someone did that to Prism and another to Brown but they were both resolved). But it's just frustrating.

What do you think? Should we just stop releasing "Betas" and release it only when it's done?

tl;dr version: People host our ROM hacks and don't keep track with the latest versions. People continue downloading the old versions not knowing that a better version is out and I cannot cooperate with the people in charge of the ROM hosting websites to either remove or even update the old versions on several ROM hosting websites. It's frustrating.
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Posted on 03-29-12 11:21:38 PM Link | Quote
Maybe you should put a prominent notice in your future hacks that they are incomplete demos, and to keep checking [x] website for updates?

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Posted on 03-29-12 11:26:17 PM (last edited by Koolboyman at 03-29-12 08:28 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by BMF54123
Maybe you should put a prominent notice in your future hacks that they are incomplete demos, and to keep checking [x] website for updates?


That's what I did for the latest release of Prism and even then people are hosting that version after the splash screen tells them not to (I'm sure the ROM hoarders on ROM hosting sites didn't even play the hack). It helps, but it doesn't fully help because people don't understand which version they're downloading. Maybe adding version numbers and the released date in the ROM would help? However I did not apply it to the older versions which are still spiraling around the web completely out of my control.

Perhaps this should be standard, even with so called "final versions", since you're probably always going to have to patch for glitches shortly after release.
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Posted on 03-30-12 02:36:53 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by BMF54123
Maybe you should put a prominent notice in your future hacks that they are incomplete demos, and to keep checking [x] website for updates?


Originally posted by Koolboyman
Maybe adding version numbers and the released date in the ROM would help?



Beta 0.41 - March 2013
Check www.wwwdotdotcom.com for updates!


That shouldn't take too much space on the title screen. Even if it does, it's not that big a deal since it's not the final version.


(I wonder if that's an actual website...)

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Posted on 03-31-12 07:07:10 AM Link | Quote
Post #4649 · 03-31-12 02:07:10 AM
As long as the title screen (or a splash screen, I guess) prominently states that it's a beta/demo version and gives something like a release date or version number, I wouldn't worry about outdated versions being hosted. At least people playing them will know they're betas.

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Posted on 03-31-12 10:37:58 AM Link | Quote
It really depends on how focused you are on finishing it. You can easily put a splash screen noting its a demo buts its only good to distribute demo's if you're 100% sure you are going to complete it at some point. I personally believe there are way too many scrapped projects circling the internet at the moment.
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Posted on 03-31-12 01:38:33 PM Link | Quote
Well I guess that answers that question!
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Posted on 04-05-12 06:51:10 PM (last edited by Reshiram at 04-05-12 03:53 PM) Link | Quote
Possibility doesn't dictate what you can do.
I am late to this but whatever.
Blame the ROM sites and the youtube users for this.

ROM sites should know bettergive a crap about what they are hosting.
1. We don't need Nakio Bros nor Mega Crap as prepatched things running around along clean roms. It gets specially bad on worse sites where they don't even specify what version of the game is it or host things with fucking demos and call it a day.
2. Doperoms is a too popular piece of shit anyway.

And if the players think it's the final version and want to act all game reviewing guy, it's their fault for being stupid and not reading a splash screen even once.
Unfortunately youtube is full of that and it does give the hack the wrong publicity.


But in the end there's no reason to not release a demo for people who care about the game/don't hate reading.

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Posted on 04-06-12 02:12:48 AM (last edited by paulguy at 04-05-12 11:14 PM) Link | Quote
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I wouldn't be too harsh on people on youtube. A lot of demos aren't differentiable from the final until far enohg in to the game. So yeah, I'd say some kind of accepted rule/standard in the rom hacking ccommunity that for any major release, to add something like:

THIS IS NOT A FINAL RELEASE!
<,build date>
Check <website> for updates.

Some place before gameplay starts or in a very early intro text or something.
Of course, some systems may lack the capability to display that much. Maybe give some allowance for stuff, but the fact that it's not final and where updates can be found should be a strong recommendation for people releasing incomplete versions, with some standard guidelines.

I know this has mostly been stated, but nobody has said it very completely or entirely clearly, and I think clarity is quite important for this situation as it's an ongoing problem, and nobody's really produced a strong, recommended guideline. As for those who don't follow the guideline, well that's the risk they take.

Edit, ffff autocaps, ffffffffff html elements.

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Posted on 04-08-12 11:56:18 PM Link | Quote
It's a great idea to post incomplete roms. It would show people that your project is coming along great.
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Posted on 04-10-12 10:57:46 PM (last edited by Koolboyman at 04-10-12 07:58 PM) Link | Quote
Good news!

The admin of Doperoms finally just got back to me and he removed both of my hacks from his website and apologized to me. He's alright in my book now.
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