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Posted on 02-19-12 05:34:15 PM (last edited by Raspberry at 02-19-12 06:27 PM) Link | Quote
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/02/anonymous-friday-attacks/


But this week’s attacks came with a promise, first articulated in the defacement of CSI, and restated on the FTC websites: Every Friday will bring a new attack against government and corporate sites under the theme of #FFF, or Fuck the FBI Friday.


Anonymous seems to have overlooked some factors, here. First and foremost, the old people still don't "get" computers. Both the hackers and the news will taper off on the facts at points and lead to misguided attacks on sites neither government nor corporate, in addition to fears of domestic and foreign terrorism against "families, lives, and the American spirit."

The stray attacks and pandemonium will lead to agitations of Internet control bills getting pushed, and the ever-hushed-but-present Indefinite Detention Act being enforced (as a reminder, Anonymous has and is threatening to attack the FBI's website, along with other government sites. If I am not mistaken, this is an act of terrorism.)

Actually, it was probably partially Anonymous' own fault that bills like SOPA and ACTA have been getting pushed in the first place. The internet is still viewed as a "wild west" that needs to be controlled. What Anonymous does is the equivalent of public beheadings and the middle ages. It's not civilized at all.

I wish I could find some balance from Anonymous' point of view, but I really can't. I get that they want to save the internet, but they really are not the people that should be left in charge of something like that. It is a disorganized group consisting of people who are either very brave and noble souls, complete monsters, or people who were just in it for the cool mask. This whole ultimatum just sounds like an aggregate of both sides of the coin. "We want to save the internet, but we also want to take out our frustrations and feed our id."

As a result, the group appears to have landed on this action. Something with... well I'm not even sure I can call it something with good intentions, so I'll just say it is something trying to save the internet and doing it wrong.

I haven't even really touched on the people who use these websites and have to deal with what the group is doing. Who exactly is it they are trying to protect here besides themselves?

Ed. by Raspberry: made the URL a link for you.

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Posted on 02-19-12 08:28:54 PM Link | Quote
Go Anonymous, go.

Yeah, I'm an Anonymous supporter. Got a problem with that?

They are hacking government websites because they suggested SOPA and PIPA and things like that, and it's because they are the masterminds of the Internet. The government are the masterminds of specific countries around the world, but look at this. World =/= Internet.
I believe that you said Anonymous should not be put in charge for the Internet, but let's face it. If they can deface strong .gov sites such as the FBI and so, they are in charge of the Internet for now, until the government finds a counterattack.
I can see why the government would push the bills harder if Anonymous does all this, but personally, I think they should leave the Internet alone. It's going to be the Wild West for a long, long time anyway.



Showin' off my Anonymous mask. 8]

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Posted on 02-19-12 08:38:02 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Snowdeath
Showin' off my Anonymous mask. 8]


I'm gonna go say this as nicely as possible.

Look up Guy Fawkes, and do it now.



In other news, Anonymous blows up some websites, I will watch from the sidelines. And hope that web developers start upping their security a little in general.

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Posted on 02-19-12 08:50:28 PM Link | Quote
I have no thoughts one way or another on Anon attacking government sites.

Morally, I think it's wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right.

But part of me also wants to say, "Fuck the government, I don't give a shit."

So really I guess I'm kinda torn on how I feel about this.

There's not much else to say about it. As long as they don't attack things I care about, I won't give a damn. Apathy for the win.

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Posted on 02-19-12 09:44:42 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Girlydragon
I'm gonna go say this as nicely as possible.

Look up Guy Fawkes, and do it now.


It's amazing how some things really take on a new life of their own. Give it a few years and no one will remember the Guy Fawkes thing

Anyhow, I don't doubt the collective internet's boredom is capable of this. But yeah, I see the 'backlash' being hasty and poorly thought out.
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Posted on 02-19-12 09:49:57 PM (last edited by BlueWhirl at 02-19-12 06:50 PM) Link | Quote
I feel like I aught to respond to both sides of the little argument here, and clear up some incorrect assumptions and thoughts.

To all of you: Anonymous is not a group/association/whatever, as some of you have seemed to shuffle it into. It's more of a belief, except even wider. More of a title. You cannot say that because someone associated with the name is doing something, that everyone is doing it and everyone thinks it's the coolest thing ever. It's like saying that because a priest is a rapist, everybody associated with that religion is also a rapist.

Originally posted by Snowdeath
They are hacking government websites because they suggested SOPA and PIPA


Nope. Several hackers associated with Anonymous have been around for years. The recent outburst and media coverage of these events are in light of these bills, yes, but they have been doing this for a long while.

Originally posted by Snowdeath
I believe that you said Anonymous should not be put in charge for the Internet, but let's face it. If they can deface strong .gov sites such as the FBI and so, they are in charge of the Internet for now, until the government finds a counterattack.


Nope. The fact that they can hack into these sites - most by simple SQL injection and other easy-as-pie techniques, mind you - is at the fault of whoever designed the website, not the FBI itself. At this point I think I'd be hiring new website programmers. The fact that the hackers associated with Anonymous can exploit simple holes is not impressive; and anybody with malicious intent and a few hours to spend learning could do the same things these "internet masterminds" can do. The "government counterattack" you've brought up is as simple as firing the dolts who can't hold up security with two fucks and get some people in there who can really build up some barriers. I must also say: a DDoS attack is just as impressive as mashing the refresh button when someone tells you to.

To end this, I have to bring up that as long as something exists, it's going to used and exploited. Interpret it as you want, because it can be interpreted many ways for both sides. The hackers are doing nothing more than exploiting the shoddy programming languages that are hardly fool-proof, and all they're doing is showing that security needs to be updated on the internet. The government is doing nothing more than trying to regulate something that's difficult to handle. I'm all for regulation - as long as the regulation is reasonable. The current plans are not, however, and all that these plans are doing is pissing off the people who have made the internet their home. You cannot take away something that has basically been established as a right without harsh reactions.

At this point, I believe that both sides are wrong. If people wish to protest it, then they should do it in a way that's, well, not terrorism. These hackers are doing nothing more than distorting the already negative views that the government already had. The government(s) need to really think about a way to meet everyone halfway, before more extremists decide that they should "support" these hacking organizations.

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Posted on 02-19-12 10:15:18 PM Link | Quote
Damn, it's like Ayn Rand predicted the future.

Also, forever Anon.

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Posted on 02-19-12 11:52:28 PM Link | Quote
I would just like to say, Fuck SOPA.
Go Anon. Blow SOPA's ass up.

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Posted on 02-20-12 12:13:57 AM Link | Quote

We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the standards and protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented parts of it. We're just a little proud of the social and economic benefits that our project, the Internet, has brought with it.

Last year, many of us wrote to you and your colleagues to warn about the proposed "COICA" copyright and censorship legislation. Today, we are writing again to reiterate our concerns about the SOPA and PIPA derivatives of last year's bill, that are under consideration in the House and Senate. In many respects, these proposals are worse than the one we were alarmed to read last year.

If enacted, either of these bills will create an environment of tremendous fear and uncertainty for technological innovation, and seriously harm the credibility of the United States in its role as a steward of key Internet infrastructure. Regardless of recent amendments to SOPA, both bills will risk fragmenting the Internet's global domain name system (DNS) and have other capricious technical consequences. In exchange for this, such legislation would engender censorship that will simultaneously be circumvented by deliberate infringers while hampering innocent parties' right and ability to communicate and express themselves online.

All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were intended to restrict, but these bills are particularly egregious in that regard because they cause entire domains to vanish from the Web, not just infringing pages or files. Worse, an incredible range of useful, law-abiding sites can be blacklisted under these proposals. In fact, it seems that this has already begun to happen under the nascent DHS/ICE seizures program.

Censorship of Internet infrastructure will inevitably cause network errors and security problems. This is true in China, Iran and other countries that censor the network today; it will be just as true of American censorship. It is also true regardless of whether censorship is implemented via the DNS, proxies, firewalls, or any other method. Types of network errors and insecurity that we wrestle with today will become more widespread, and will affect sites other than those blacklisted by the American government.

The current bills — SOPA explicitly and PIPA implicitly — also threaten engineers who build Internet systems or offer services that are not readily and automatically compliant with censorship actions by the U.S. government. When we designed the Internet the first time, our priorities were reliability, robustness and minimizing central points of failure or control. We are alarmed that Congress is so close to mandating censorship-compliance as a design requirement for new Internet innovations. This can only damage the security of the network, and give authoritarian governments more power over what their citizens can read and publish.

The US government has regularly claimed that it supports a free and open Internet, both domestically and abroad. We cannot have a free and open Internet unless its naming and routing systems sit above the political concerns and objectives of any one government or industry. To date, the leading role the US has played in this infrastructure has been fairly uncontroversial because America is seen as a trustworthy arbiter and a neutral bastion of free expression. If the US begins to use its central position in the network for censorship that advances its political and economic agenda, the consequences will be far-reaching and destructive.

Senators, Congressmen, we believe the Internet is too important and too valuable to be endangered in this way, and implore you to put these bills aside.


I know it's more or less engineers writing a letter against SOPA/PIPA, but the bolded statement is pretty much what the Internet's original intentions were. It was something that shouldn't be controlled under government jurisdiction and would be, more or less, free. This is Anonymous's most basic reason for these attacks, because these censorship laws infringe on how the Internet was designed to be. I can understand laws that apply to the Internet if they apply the same in real life that harm everyday people, like sexual harassment, because no one should go through that shit, but arresting someone for making fanart of some cartoon is ridiculous and would not only infringe on personal freedoms, but make the Internet unnecessarily bulky.

While there are some reasons I am personally wary of Anonymous (mostly ED-related), I still support them for this cause. If the politicians in the country can stop jerking off for 5 seconds to listen to what Anonymous, founders of the Internet, and everyday people are saying, they'd cut this shit off.

But, alas, this is a scenario that can be best summed up as 'Mo' money, mo' problems.'

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Posted on 02-20-12 02:56:13 AM Link | Quote
Generally speaking, I support Anonymous. I've participated in an unnamed related activity before for them.
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Posted on 02-20-12 06:49:52 AM Link | Quote
This is an unbelievably bad way of handling this. SOPA/PIPA are bad, but... you don't defeat laws by blowing up websites, particularly in a place like the US. Put simply, our network infrastructure sucks and too many people don't understand computers. Wrecking websites will just get you labeled a cyber-terrorist (which, really, perfectly accurate label in this case), and the people supporting the law will use you as the "them" in "us vs them" in order to get support from the ignorant masses.
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Posted on 02-20-12 01:44:43 PM Link | Quote
Here's why it could work:

If the gov. passes anything, the public'll turn on them. If they don't do anything, Anon could eventually dig up some hidden servers. Therefore, Schrodinger's Dr. Strangelove.

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Posted on 02-20-12 02:59:31 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Skreeny
This is an unbelievably bad way of handling this. SOPA/PIPA are bad, but... you don't defeat laws by blowing up websites, particularly in a place like the US. Put simply, our network infrastructure sucks and too many people don't understand computers. Wrecking websites will just get you labeled a cyber-terrorist (which, really, perfectly accurate label in this case), and the people supporting the law will use you as the "them" in "us vs them" in order to get support from the ignorant masses.


Basically, the abridged version of what I said.

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Posted on 02-23-12 07:32:53 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Viola
Basically, the abridged version of what I said.
Oh yes, absolutely. Sorry if it looked like I was doing something questionable, just felt I had to add my voice to that side of the argument.


Originally posted by Enig
If the gov. passes anything, the public'll turn on them.
So far so good...
Originally posted by Enig
If they don't do anything, Anon could eventually dig up some hidden servers. Therefore, Schrodinger's Dr. Strangelove.
...augh! You've been watching too many movies. Anything useful the government has is going to be not connected to the internet, and the entertainment industry can easily afford to burn millions of dollars on IT support rebuilding after every breach (just look at how much they put into lobbying).
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Posted on 02-23-12 08:57:40 PM Link | Quote
I would be more interested if they hacked, say, GOOGLES server where they store all their data mining. ;

Let's see if anything happens tomorrow.

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Posted on 02-24-12 04:00:47 AM (last edited by Rena at 02-24-12 01:01 AM) Link | Quote
Post #4518 · 02-23-12 11:00:47 PM
They wouldn't be the first...

Now, a leak of all the info Google has on everyone would be quite something. But I bet hosting it would be very difficult. No doubt it's huge.

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Posted on 02-24-12 05:18:59 AM Link | Quote
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Hell, downloading it before they're caught. The thing has to be contained oon several racks of drives. Anyway, the only thing it'd do is actually invading people's pivacy, because they won't blame their policy on data mining for what happened. They'd just patch the hole and continue on doing what they're doing. It's way too profitable for them to stop.

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Posted on 02-24-12 08:18:03 AM Link | Quote
I'm not interested in reading all they have stored Rena, I'm interested in them getting rid of it. ._.

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Posted on 02-24-12 03:06:25 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Skreeny
Originally posted by Viola
Basically, the abridged version of what I said.
Oh yes, absolutely. Sorry if it looked like I was doing something questionable, just felt I had to add my voice to that side of the argument


No, no, that's fine. I'm just sayin'

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