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Posted on 01-29-12 08:40:41 AM

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Post #4478 · 01-29-12 03:40:41 AM

And while ACTA is gathering not nearly enough attention as it is, Bill C-11 (Canada's SOPA) seems to be going by completely unnoticed.

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Posted on 01-29-12 04:01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Rena
And while ACTA is gathering not nearly enough attention as it is, Bill C-11 (Canada's SOPA) seems to be going by completely unnoticed.

Fuck, there's a Canadian SOPA-style going on in Canada? Why have I not noticed this?

Jeez, just how many bills out there we haven't noticed yet that's plotting for a whole Internet takeover?

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Posted on 01-30-12 08:14:36 AM

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Goddamn. ACTA, C-11... just who the fuck is running the world now?

This is why I plan to participate in Black March. Sadly, since it's easy as fuck for me, it probably won't have that big of an impact. Though a boycott of buying/downloading any and all media should hopefully say something to the execs.

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Posted on 01-30-12 12:52:28 PM

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Hola conocidos -

Finalmente me doy un tiempo para escribir - me da flojera hacerlo en mi ingles malecho asi que les pongo en español -
Lo siento por mi espantoso secretario Olllo pero pues el menso con sus mensas reglas, "claves" y "filtros" nomas asi se quiere comunicar -

Ahora con lo del ACTA PIPA y todo lo demas -

Espero que participen en el mentado Marzo Negro,
desgraciadamente creo que eso no sera suficiente, y espero que no sea demasiado tarde -
este sunto de la firma del ACTA tiene que ser combatido en Estados Unidos - aca en Mexico si se sabe del asunto y pasa en los periodicos , desgraciadamente los politicos de aca tiene su precio y no se les puede pedi cuentas.
En estados unidos tiene ustedes la ventaja de que si hacen algo de caso
y tambien supe que los actos en su version canadiense se estan difundiendo en forma publica -

El momento de actuar , en mi opinion, era hace un año, o un poco mas atras cuando fueron dados a conocer detalles de ACTA por Wikileaks - desgraciadamente parece que no todo mundo le puso atencion, por que despues de un rato nadie le tomaba mucha seriedad a lo sacado en Wikileaks -

aca por lo pronto le paso la voz a todos los que puedo, al menos a alguien se le debe de ocurrir algo mejor.

"Hello known -

I finally time to write - I'm too lazy to do it in my English Malecho so I put in Spanish -
Sorry for my terrible secretary Olllo but because the fool with his fool rules, "key" and "filters" to communicate -

ACTA now with PIPA and everything else -

I hope to participate in the abovementioned Black March,
I think that unfortunately will not be enough, and hopefully not too late -
this thing the signing of the ACTA has to be fought in the U.S. - here in Mexico we know the subject and passes in the newspapers, unfortunately politicians in here has a price and can not be made to answer accounts.
In United States you have the advantage that if they do something they can be made to pay
and also knew that the acts in the Canadian version are publicly disseminated -

The time to act, in my opinion, was a year ago, or a bit further back when they were released by Wikileaks details of ACTA - unfortunately it seems that not everyone paid attention, because after a while no one took much taken seriously to Wikileaks -

here for now I pass the word to everyone I can, at least someone should do something better."

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Posted on 02-01-12 08:20:49 PM

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Ollllo here with some curious development:

It seems that in the US version of google, typing "ACTA" brings up the following results:

first the Wikipedia entry

Second "Stop ACTA ! - STOP ACTA - EUROPE"
Third (and this since yesterday as far as i know)

News for Acta
"Impeach Obama for bribery? Anti-ACTA spin reaches new lows"

i have seen fake pages & heard of fake pages before, where some apparent "grassroots group" or Pro-something website or article pops up - & when you look where the money comes from - it comes FROM the fat cats or their allies themselves....

can anyone tell me if http://arstechnica.com is unbiased/ ?

it seems that it is tilted towards the industry, so i have some doubts about it -

Funny how the article gets to appear in 3rd place for the US search....

Also - i recommend Julers to read the comments for the article

Mexican google still seems unchanged in it search results - but i have seen American google behaving --"weird" more often

Oldyz is training for Kabuki theater
PS: Internautas Canadienses, please check up on your search results & see if anything looks off

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Posted on 02-02-12 12:36:32 AM

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Ars Technica's a... really big site. It wouldn't surprise me if they're high on the search results.

The article is mainly suggesting that you keep your complaints to the actual facts.

But misinformation only makes it easy for ACTA supporters to marginalize the opposition as irrelevant fanatics.

If you suggest that there's something wrong with it, you'd better make sure that that something is actually there, otherwise next week they can just turn around and tell everyone that you're distorting the truth for your own purposes. At that point, you've probably lost.

I found this comment interesting:

Originally posted by rabish12
Originally posted by vishnu
Some people seem to be confused about the difference between a treaty and a law. Broad/ambiguous language in a treaty mostly means it is toothless - a good thing if you don't like the content of the treaty. That is exactly the opposite of a law, where broad/ambiguous language is a recipe for all kinds of trouble.

When the author talks about what the treaty requires please remember that context. Nations still need to pass actual laws for anything more they want to do. The ambiguous language in the treaty in no way gives rights holders or law enforcement powers to do anything. What it does is give nations that don't feel like being dicks the ability to not be dicks.

Thank you for being one of the few sane people here. The ambiguous things in ACTA aren't things that give the member countries more power to pass laws like this, they're things that the member countries could pass laws on WITH OR WITHOUT the agreement. If it doesn't say that countries are required to search iPods at the border but doesn't explicitly say that they shouldn't do so, it does NOTHING related to that subject. At all.

ACTA's a bit of a mess, but arguing using misinformation gets us nowhere. The SOPA protest was powerful because it was driven by facts, and that allowed larger organizations to associate themselves with it without sacrificing their dignity and general image. If ACTA's opposition ends up being too strongly aligned with insanity like this... well, that opposition could very well become powerless against it.

It sounds plausible (countries don't need to pass treaties saying "you can write speeding tickets for your own citizens", they do for "you can write speeding tickets for your neighbor's citizens"), but I'm very much not an expert on international law.

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Posted on 02-03-12 05:07:35 AM

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Posted on 02-03-12 05:34:30 AM

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Originally posted by oldyz
i have seen fake pages & heard of fake pages before, where some apparent "grassroots group" or Pro-something website or article pops up - & when you look where the money comes from - it comes FROM the fat cats or their allies themselves....

can anyone tell me if http://arstechnica.com is unbiased/ ?

it seems that it is tilted towards the industry, so i have some doubts about it -

Funny how the article gets to appear in 3rd place for the US search....

Also - i recommend Julers to read the comments for the article

Mexican google still seems unchanged in it search results - but i have seen American google behaving --"weird" more often

There are plenty of astroturf things, but people calling on 'Impeach Obama' are generally La Rouche PAC people. Those people are actually fascists in disguise, who call upon 'impeaching' whoever is president. They've been at it for eons. People who repeat their arguments aren't much better.

No one is unbiased, but just because someone says an opinion you dislike, doesn't mean it's a conspiracy by the industry. That's a logical fallacy.

You seem to suggest there is some conspiracy to cover up some 'evil doings' by making this article high on searches. I think the conspiracy lies somewhere outside of that and more inside your mind--perhaps if you stopped rationalizing your opinions by claiming everything is a conspiracy, you might notice that ACTA is bad, but not some evil plot by the illuminati trying to steal your mind with magical bribery.

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Posted on 02-03-12 09:37:42 PM (last edited by oldyz at 02-03-12 06:57 PM)

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OlllllOooooorighty then

well, good thing to know that the Ars thecnica is a real thing -

About the Obama impeachment - i think the NDAA thing deserves a looksey or 2 in the future
and that he deserves a good smack upside the head for doing such potentially foolish thing
(not related, i know)

perhaps i should have asked of how biased Juleros think Ars technica is, in relation to the matter at hand,
since everyone and everything is susceptible to inclinations.

The article did not incite any like or dislike from my part , it makes a fair point for the
use of facts in the fight against the agreement.
I would have liked it if it had revealed some new information, but as it is, its a s0s0....

About the "funny" bit - i said funny because the result in 3rd place inspired a chuckle on my part -
the 3rd place appearance on a USA search meant at the time the following things to me:

1 - finally! we get to see the first of many debunk articles - the good parts about it -
2 - but wait, aren't results based on how many hits a link gets? - could it be ? that a s0s0 article that is only
less than a day old gets 3rd place when there is countless others that are about month old
- and more likely to have more hits?
3 - nahhhhhh - Good Google trying to help, to stop the crazier nonsense related to ACTA

4 - maybe results are a day to day occurrence depending on the "how many hits" of the
day...... O.O
5 - I reaaaaaallllllllllly don't know how google search results work. @,,,@
6 - should i try to learn how it works? - nahhh. i'll save my Neurons to memorize me some
nice gregorian chants instead

and so i chuckled......... it was funny.

No conspiracy thoughts, just a chuckle that a search result made me the victim of doublethink.

However, i'm glad "funny" compelled you to reply Metal_Man88 - hell - maybe even some readers went ahead
& researched in a very thorough fashion how Google search results work...

But since you have brought the "C" Word out for a stroll...
- ACTA ,TTP , - well hell -
Most trade agreements similares y conexos of the last 3 decades (as far as i know & from what i have seen)
have been nothing but big money making schemes, deals, plans, conspiracies, for the benefit of only a handful
of very rich people...
The "evil plot" is just for the participating individuals to Rig the game in their favor - suggesting
rules & regulations designed to keep themselves & buddies at the top of the game for perpetuity.
The rules , the rules, the magical rules, undecipherable to common people, that include the taking of
their hard earned common money and use it against their common selves.
& we'll pay - we'll pay the taxes for the infrastructures - we'll pay the internet bills for the access &
soon we will pay for the unique opportunity to further complicate, obstruct, hinder what we can do
with what we pay for...

there is conspiracies all around us,
from the couple of thugs that want to steal your wallet , to the Big Banks that plan on making millions
by warping the rules and screwing whole countries.....
they are all unconsciously connected, they cross paths , combine, divide & grow, but have the same core element.
CHINGAR PARA GANAR

I like to conspire, especially if it brings about much needed justice & change, constant
change, and not a change destined for the static comfort of the few.

Oldyz is tired, reading debunks of debunks of debunks of debunks of debunks in spanish made 30 grey hairs & 20 to fall off...

Bonus: the ten "myths" about ACTA page http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/html/148964.htm/
--lol edit--The "debunk" of the ten myths:http://acta.ffii.org/?p=1082

lol dam it ! the original magic linking i tried to do did not work

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