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Posted on 11-12-11 06:25:42 AM Link | Quote
What about the students who take out huge student loans for their liberal arts degrees, or their major in women's studies, who want to work for non-profit organizations then complain when they can't pay their own debts?

I've seen tons of those mixed in with the protesters.

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Posted on 11-12-11 07:33:38 AM Link | Quote
I don't see why we should be penalizing people who want to work for the greater good (or indeed why we have student loans in the first place).

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Posted on 11-12-11 06:20:13 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shadic
Originally posted by Tyty
What about the students who take out huge student loans for their liberal arts degrees, or their major in women's studies, who want to work for non-profit organizations then complain when they can't pay their own debts?

I've seen tons of those mixed in with the protesters.

We've all been brought up in a world where we're being told constantly that if we don't get a college degree, we're going to be stuck flipping burgers.

Then you get a degree, don't want to flip burgers, and everybody think you're lazy. And even these low-paying jobs often want a college degree, so..


Speaking of burger flipping

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Posted on 11-12-11 07:27:24 PM Link | Quote
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That article does bring up a bunch of holes in the older generation's logic.

Hopefully as the older generation goes into retirement more of us can help change the system from within. Protests are useful, but representation is true power.

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Posted on 11-14-11 11:54:34 PM Link | Quote
Also posted on dA of all stupid things, but copypasting my kinda rant here because relevance.

As someone who had started looking for a job since right before the market crashed, it really steams me when the rich just keep getting richer and are able to exploit loopholes and bend rules just to see a little more green line their pockets when they have more than enough to live by, while regular people like my family and millions more get shafted into living lives with no luxury and still have to eat lower and lower quality food as the years pass just for basic survival as prices for everything keep getting higher and whatever law or regulations that get passed to benefit us in the long run keeps being insisted on being repealed for being "unconstitutional", "socialist", "unnecessary" while laws and regulations that only serve corporations and the wealthy for the short term or infringe on a person's rights continually vie to be passed for whatever crazy reason, whether originating from Democrats or Republicans.

Yes, I orient myself as a Democrat. I honestly feel the overall, general message with that political party is "Everyone, regardless of race, color, religion, sex or sexual identity, sexual orientation, mental handicaps or disabilities, economic situation, our youth, our students, our children, and our children's children, should all have an equal chance in succeeding in life, however that may be on an individual matter so long as any group's human rights are not infringed upon".

The situation right now with the Occupy movements is that the equal chance everyone should be given, at least on the economical point of view, has being grossly infringed upon for years, and has grown to the point where groups that are being stepped upon, will be stepped upon, and even sympathizers, whether from the 99% or the 1% are saying 'No. This cannot go on like this anymore. The common folk are sick of being ignored in favor of corporations who have no interest in thinking of anyone but themselves, and for the politicians who let the corporations get away with this blind avarice from either having their souls sold to these corporations in turn for a political seat or through simple minded naivete. We want to take back this country, that was made by the people, for the people, that has since grown in recent times to become a country fabricated for the wealthiest, by the wealthiest'.

From time to time I will agree with Republicans on some issues, though. If we want social security to last, then the retirement age should be raised, because, to put it in simplest terms, everyone is living longer than when FDR was in office by 10 years on average. And I don't like it when Democrats are spending hundreds of billions on reform and bailouts, but we honestly wouldn't have to do that in the first place (or at least not as extreme) if the wealthiest corporations and richest people played by the rules in the first place and didn't let selfishness and avarice get the better of them. And unfortunately if corporations and the lavishly wealthy don't voluntarily agree to play by these rules and be good sports about any loophole and just not exploit them, then those particular groups should be forced to with new laws and regulations.

And to put it simply with "What is the 1%/99% deal anyway?" the 1% has control of 42% of the nation's wealth, with the remaining 99% having 58% control (numbers not seen since the Great Depression). If we go with 10%/90%, it's 81% and 19%, respectively. I'm still appalled that the media is still trying to portray the Occupy movement as having no message. A simple Google check to Occupy's websites will tell us what their overall message is. And as far as 'Occupy is unorganized' goes, of course there's going to be SOME disorganization to a movement that is leaderless and encompasses an economic group that has over 297 million members in a 300 million+ country. And whether intended or not, having a protest group have no leader can be construed as symbolism to how the movement thinks our leaders have abandoned them, leaving them to fend for themselves. Then again that's my literary analysis reflex talking.

In short, the Occupy movement is something to be taken seriously, because the rich are getting richer and richer through exploitation and it has to be made clear that it has to change now. Not tomorrow. Not a year from now. Now.

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Posted on 11-19-11 06:05:29 AM Link | Quote
So, recently, there was an attack on protesters by the police at University of California at Davis.

I'll just let the letter one of the professors there wrote to the chancellor speak for itself:


I write to you and to my colleagues for three reasons:

1) to express my outrage at the police brutality which occurred against students engaged in peaceful protest on the UC Davis campus today

2) to hold you accountable for this police brutality

3) to demand your immediate resignation

Today you ordered police onto our campus to clear student protesters from the quad. These were protesters who participated in a rally speaking out against tuition increases and police brutality on UC campuses on Tuesday — a rally that I organized, and which was endorsed by the Davis Faculty Association. These students attended that rally in response to a call for solidarity from students and faculty who were bludgeoned with batons,hospitalized, and arrested at UC Berkeley last week. In the highest tradition of non-​violent civil disobedience, those protesters had linked arms and held their ground in defense of tents they set up beside Sproul Hall. In a gesture of solidarity with those students and faculty, and in solidarity with the national Occupy movement, students at UC Davis set up tents on the main quad. When you ordered police outfitted with riot helmets, brandishing batons and teargas guns to remove their tents today, those students sat down on the ground in a circle and linked arms to protect them.

What happened next?

Without any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground, with their arms linked, police pepper-​sprayed students.Students remained on the ground, now writhing in pain, with their arms linked.

What happened next?

Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-​sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-​sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-​five minutes after being pepper-​sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.

This is what happened. You are responsible for it.

You are responsible for it because this is what happens when UC Chancellors order police onto our campuses to disperse peaceful protesters through the use of force: students get hurt. Faculty get hurt. One of the most inspiring things (inspiring for those of us who care about students who assert their rights to free speech and peaceful assembly) about the demonstration in Berkeley on November 9 is that UC Berkeley faculty stood together with students, their arms linked together. Associate Professor of English Celeste Langan was grabbed by her hair, thrown on the ground, and arrested. Associate Professor Geoffrey O’Brien was injured by baton blows. Professor Robert Hass, former Poet Laureate of the United States, National Book Award and Pulitzer Prize winner, was also struck with a baton. These faculty stood together with students in solidarity, and they too were beaten and arrested by the police. In writing this letter, I stand together with those faculty and with the students they supported.

One week after this happened at UC Berkeley, you ordered police to clear tents from the quad at UC Davis. When students responded in the same way — linking arms and holding their ground — police also responded in the same way: with violent force. The fact is: the administration of UC campuses systematically uses police brutality to terrorize students and faculty, to crush political dissent on our campuses, and to suppress free speech and peaceful assembly. Many people know this. Many more people are learning it very quickly.

You are responsible for the police violence directed against students on the UC Davis quad on November 18, 2011. As I said, I am writing to hold you responsible and to demand your immediate resignation on these grounds.

*

“I call for your resignation because you are unfit to do your job. You are unfit to ensure the safety of students at UC Davis. In fact: you are the primary threat to the safety of students at UC Davis. As such, I call upon you to resign immediately.”


Welcome to America, everyone.

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Posted on 11-19-11 01:00:20 PM Link | Quote
Huh, I feel like at the equivalent point in the Middle Eastern protests, international organizations and governments were calling for the resignation of their leaders. Oh the double standards! :specialed:
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Things are getting a bit more like the bad old days since the protests are getting closer to what they were like back when.

Given stuff like this, I can see why my grandfather killed a policeman--it was kill or be killed back then, and it could get that bad if policemen are sent in to just outright kill or heavily injure protesters into submission more and more frequently.

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Posted on 11-19-11 10:01:54 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by FieryIce
Huh, I feel like at the equivalent point in the Middle Eastern protests, international organizations and governments were calling for the resignation of their leaders. Oh the double standards! :specialed:

Don't forget the cries of support when the Egypt protests were going on.


Unrelated, but another instance of pure, uncalled for police violence:
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Angry over the incident, 43-year-old Brooke Fantelli contacted 10News and said what started out as a nice day of picture-taking in the desert ended in a nightmare.

"There's no way to put it, it's just plain out brutal, plain out brutal," said Fantelli.

In cell phone video Fantelli provided to 10News, Fantelli's hands are in the air as a BLM ranger tells her to lie down in the dirt. She told 10News she refused to do that, but did tell the ranger she would not resist being arrested. The ranger went ahead and used his Taser on her anyway. In the video, Fantelli is seen falling to the ground.


How much more of this do we have to endure before something is done?

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Posted on 11-19-11 10:08:17 PM Link | Quote
In addition, it would appear that the OWS protest crackdowns are being coordinated.

What bill of rights?

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Posted on 11-19-11 10:23:51 PM Link | Quote
I can't say I've been surprised by anything that's happened so far. The 1% used dirty tactics to get where they are now, so obviously they're going to use dirty tactics to stay where they are.

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Posted on 11-19-11 10:29:15 PM Link | Quote
I really don't understand this- even from the perspective of the entrenched power structure, the best thing would seem to be to just let people do their protest and just ignore them (and the "1%" (more like 0.1% really) are extremely entrenched)- bringing in aggressive tactics to disperse protestors and police violence just gets people angrier.

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I understand it. I read about the LA riots.

This is the same way it always has been. Whenever people start to get discontent, the police are sent to violently injure everyone into submission, unless the people keep demonstrating endlessly (see: Vietnam). Only in that case does it have any real effect, and even then, it requires a lot of disruption before anyone will listen.

History is just replaying itself before our eyes. A new generation is finding itself in a similar position to the Vietnam era people, and thus must now re-fight the old battles just to get back what the Baby Boomers and beyond wound up having.

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Posted on 11-23-11 03:42:55 AM Link | Quote
Post #4402 · 11-22-11 10:42:55 PM
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Those they could not separate, they pepper-​sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-​sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-​five minutes after being pepper-​sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.
And some people still don't understand why people have so little respect for authority these days. I think if police were doing this sort of thing in my city, I'd be out destroying things just out of anger and spite. Mainly police cars.

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Posted on 12-24-11 03:08:05 PM (last edited by oldyz at 12-24-11 12:09 PM) Link | Quote

Ollllllolllll0 here -

Occupy protesters have to be very sharp-eyed
It seems like i'm peering into the past
Mexico circa 1968

This attempts to control the free flow of information + the arrests & renditions of anyone anywhere
(yes folks in the future either you are a TERRORIST o a PIRATE)
& some of us will get the dual supreme combo of terrorist pirate


- are just the preparations -

While I'm hoping for a massive movement by the citizens of the first world, i'm also weary
because the very nature of movements like occupy facilitate the infiltration of paramilitary punks.

I want a big protest to happen , but this increases the chances of a (unreported) carnage and years of persecutions & the disappearance of US citizens....

if This where to happen , it would be followed -of course- by some big nice national partycelebratoryfuntime event to further hush things up-

Be careful kids



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