Sonic 4's physics are a complete trainwreck. More than just stopping on a dime. he jumps too high, falls too fast (they fixed the falling in generations!) he has literally no sense of momentum, he breaks walls by running through them, there's boosters absolutely everywhere to make up for the shitty physics (which Generations does not have to do)

I mean for fucks' sakes, the RUSH games have a better sense of momentum in them, and you're pretty much always boosting in them!

Furthermore, Sonic 4 has foregrounds difficult to distingush from the background, plasticy graphics, poorly arranged music (the compositions are fine) and it is ludicrously difficult to beat a boss with only one ring due to the Rush engine's ring glitch where the more you get hit, the further your rings fly.

The special stages are a pain, especially with the bumpers sending you every fucking direction, the homing attack is poorly coded where Sonic Advance 2's was much better, and super sonic is also a glitchy trainwreck (Like Sonic 2 I guess).

The badniks were NOT changed up except for slicer, who now explodes when he has no arms, WOW! The bosses are flat copies, which makes them horribly weak against the almighty homing attack, and they're poorly chosen as well.

Sonic 4 is terrible, and after playing Sonic Generations, I can say it is 99% better. Classic isn't perfect, but he's a lot more "classic" than Sonic 4 sonic is. (And yes, they promised classic gameplay for sonic 4 which they DID NOT deliver.)

And Generic Sonic is fun to play dammit

The only valid point you have is that the spindash is OP, which is a lot better than the spindash going 2 feet in Sonic 4! (I personally wish they fixed rolling though, so they wouldn't need to super-power the spindash)

The standing on walls glitch happens in one place, who the HELL is going to turn around on the fish chase rail (Kinda like running up to the truck in City Escape), and the falling through the ground has been fixed (I went and tested where it happened. It's been fixed.)

he doesn't have roughly double gravity. He seems to fall faster because the camera is zoomed out more! that's also why the badniks seem pathetic, cause you can see them coming. Eggrobos and motobugs really aren't much of a threat if you think about it.

Honestly, your problems either don't exist, or are worse in Sonic 4, and yet you say the game is better. I'm questioning if you've actually played it or not at this point. If you haven't, you should before you make your own opinions. If you have... well, go play Sonic 4!

granted, I'm glad you've given actual reasons why you're unhappy with the game. it makes good discussion. Most other places I've been have just been people screaming and flinging poop at eachother over it.

And yes, they can make absolute last-minute changes to games before they ship. They did it with Sonic Spinball, where they had Drossin recompose new songs at the last minute due to DCT licensing issues on the Sonic 1/2 theme.

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Originally posted by Inuyasha

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Whether that specific artifact is intentional or not is impossible to tell, though. The odd, hit-or-miss collision detection almost certainly is intentional, though, as 32 bouncing rings checking for collisions from all directions every single frame would've probably caused a decent bit of lag back in that era.

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That's why no matter how many you had, when you got hit, only 20 would come out of you.


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Oh yeah, it was 20 in the adventure games, my mistake.

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