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Jul - Gaming - Do you buy "popular" games? New poll - New thread - New reply
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Are you going to "pass up" on Dark Souls, Battlefield 3, Saints Row the Third, Modern Warfare 3, Forza Motorsport 4, and Uncharted 3?
Yes
 
61.1%, 11 votes
No
 
16.7%, 3 votes
No Opinion
 
22.2%, 4 votes
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Posted on 10-14-11 04:34:28 AM (last edited by Tyty at 10-14-11 01:39 AM) Link | Quote
That works except cookies aren't video games.

In fact, video games are considered by many an art now.

If you apply that analogy to other arts, such as movies or fictional books... It suggests stuff like Twilight being better than Gone With the Wind, since one romance is newer than the other. It makes absolutely no sense.

You might want to take off the jade shades there, they're making your opinions look more jaded than our nostalgia goggles make ours look fanboyish. I personally think OoT is rather overrated, and that yes, newer Zelda games are better, but OoT isn't BAD. It's still enjoyable in a modern setting. I only played it the first time about 2 years ago, and I still had fun.

See, games aren't like cookies. What matters the most is if you can have fun with the game. Not if the game holds well when compared to more modern titles. If you can go back and still have fun with a game, then that means it's good! Furthermore, games being fun is subjective. You're trying to say, objectively, they're bad. You're trying to apply your opinion as fact, which is wholly incorrect.

Sure, Ninty might be money first, but they're also taking gambles to give better products to make said money. Sony and Microsoft do the exact same damn thing. Microsoft took a gamble redoing the controller from the Xbox to the 360 as much as Nintendo did going from a classic pad to a remote. Sony took a gamble by trying to use expensive new technology to produce higher-quality games to sell its product. Of course it's marketing, but in order to market anything they have to spend time and money to research if the outcome is actually fun and will sell. It's more than actually looking good, as Kinect sales have shown us, it actually has to be fun to a broad audience if you want it to do well.

Plus, Miyamoto is totally in it for game making, not for money.

Oh, and about skyward sword, have you even used a Wii Motion Plus to swordfight? Doesn't sound like it. Try it before forming an opinion, or you're no worse than the "fanboys" who decry your opinions.

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Posted on 10-14-11 04:34:50 AM Link | Quote
I think that OoT could stand next to any game merely because that's my opinion. It's a game that I find immensely enjoyable. It's one of the few games that is atmospheric enough to send chills down my spine and easily one that I could play over and over again. I prefer it to Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and probably Skyward Sword. One of the reasons I want a 3DS is purely OoT3D. I find it so inventive and expansive. I could play for a hundred hours and still not have completed it.

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Posted on 10-14-11 05:13:56 AM (last edited by Peardian at 10-14-11 10:04 AM) Link | Quote
I'd write out a full reply, but Tyty said it much better than I could have.

Originally posted by cpubasic13
And yes, they are doing this for a marketing advantage! If you don't believe this you must be blinded by fanboyism.

I find this insulting. I may not share the same opinion as you, but I am certainly not blind for recognizing the passion and devotion that game designers like Miyamoto have when all you see is corporate greed.

Originally posted by cpubasic13
Let's say you made a batch of cookies.

This isn't really a fair comparison, though it did make me hungry. Tell me, how old is your favorite old game? And why would you still play it if there's "better" cookies out there?

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Posted on 10-14-11 12:49:57 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tyty
If you apply that analogy to other arts, such as movies or fictional books... It suggests stuff like Twilight being better than Gone With the Wind, since one romance is newer than the other. It makes absolutely no sense.



Except, you know, that wasn't what he said. I don't see anywhere where cpu says that "newer = better", which you imply he said. There never was a relationship between time and how good a game in is, at least in cpu's analogy. It seems to imply like there should be, however.

It's something I agree with.

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Posted on 10-14-11 01:19:23 PM Link | Quote
This is true, though considering that the only given example was that the new cookies turned out "better", and that cpu has been saying that OoT can't stand up to newer, modern games, I can see how Tyty could make that assumption.


Either way, it's not a very good comparison. By what metrics are peanut butter cookies considered "better" than chocolate chip? It's a matter of taste. And what represents a single game? The batch? Or the recipe? And does one subpar batch ruin the validity of the recipe?

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Posted on 10-14-11 05:36:59 PM Link | Quote
i'm going to say that this whole opposition to nintendo's first party titles/marketing is based on insecurity

Originally posted by Peardian
It's a matter of taste.

"if you had a flavor of ice cream and enjoyed it, wouldn't you want to have it again?"

i've heard people flat-out say "no," to which i say "bullshit"

honestly, i find it easier to just enjoy a game

"oh no dark and gray shooters" go play one, and tell me what you think. i tried a couple and i know shooters are generally not my kind of game

"oh no nintendo games" are you sure you're saying that because you really don't like them? honestly, they are enjoyable, even if they're usually the same thing (isn't disgaea kind of like... uh, spanning across multiple games, with some changes but the same core concept?)

just enjoy a fucking game because it's fun, not because of the name behind it or your own video electroniceo game political views

that said, this thread has taken a turn for what the fuck, so the above line also applies to the title

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Posted on 10-14-11 05:59:57 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Dorito

just enjoy a fucking game because it's fun, not because of the name behind it or your own video electroniceo game political views



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Posted on 10-14-11 10:38:09 PM Link | Quote
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It is true, the best rule for anyone is to go with what they like rather than rely on stereotypes.

Though the original reason I made this topic was that despite being told they should like those games I mentioned, most people here either don't care or don't like them.

Hence my point was that despite all the advertising, those games were still subject to the same "Like it or not" no matter how "universally liked" their proponents might claim they are.

Though as an informatics major taking statistics classes, it is interesting how two bad polls and the rise of a new medium complicates what used to be a fairly unified question: that is, back in ye olde days, there were just "video gamers" and "non video gamers", whereas now there's a whole lot of divisions... and crazily enough, an ongoing argument over what those divisions are and whether they mean anything.

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