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Posted on 09-22-11 06:57:28 PM Link | Quote
Particles found to break speed of light - Reuters

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Posted on 09-23-11 12:04:36 AM Link | Quote
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Light normally takes 2.4 ms to cover 500 miles? Didn't know light was that slow.

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Posted on 09-23-11 12:25:09 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Google
(500 mi) / (2.4 ms) = 335 280 000 m / s
the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s


Sounds about right when you account for rounding errors, actually. Even small amounts of rounding can make the answer a lot different

Looks like these particles are only barely faster than light. There are one million nanoseconds in a millisecond, so the 60 nanoseconds is only about 0.0025% of the total time. I wonder if their instruments were accurate to the nanosecond level

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Posted on 09-23-11 01:02:08 AM Link | Quote
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I kinda hope they are right, actually. It would force to revise all of the modern science for further inconsistencies that are taken as granted, and open way to more research.

I mean, practice fucking up theory happened plenty of times before. One of the simplest cases being the different atomic models. So yeah.

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Posted on 09-23-11 02:03:15 AM (last edited by Rena at 09-22-11 11:04 PM) Link | Quote
Post #4335 · 09-22-11 09:03:15 PM
I'm still expecting some kind of measurement error, or that the speed of light is just slightly higher than they thought. Or even that light doesn't quite reach the "speed of light"/"universal speed limit" for some reason.

Still, they could very well be right, and that would have some pretty cool implications.

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I imagine they had accounted for accuracy problems by doing the test multiple times and comparing to other things they know will move at the speed of light. Though I suppose it is possible that certain particles are slightly faster than others, and that this new velocity would be the new universe speed limit. I don't know much really anything about physics, though.

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Posted on 09-23-11 08:19:42 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Terra
Originally posted by Google
(500 mi) / (2.4 ms) = 335 280 000 m / s
the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s


Sounds about right when you account for rounding errors, actually. Even small amounts of rounding can make the answer a lot different
Especially when you consider that a BETTER representation of 730 kilometers would be 456 miles, as a mile is just a hair over 8/5ths of a kilometer.


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or that the speed of light is just slightly higher than they thought.
l o l

I bet that's not true.

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