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Posted on 08-03-11 02:22:36 PM Link | Quote
Ughh, this can't possibly get any worse!

From Conor Friedersdorf, writing about a new bill reported out of the House Judiciary Committee today:

Under language approved 19 to 10 by a House committee, the firm that sells you Internet access would be required to track all of your Internet activity and save it for 18 months, along with your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, and IP addresses you've been assigned.

And why do they want to do that? It's all about the children, of course.

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Every right-thinking person abhors child pornography. To combat it, legislators have brought through committee a poorly conceived, over-broad Congressional bill, The Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011. It is arguably the biggest threat to civil liberties now under consideration in the United States. The potential victims: everyone who uses the Internet.

The good news? It hasn't gone before the full House yet.

The bad news: it already made it through committee. And history shows that in times of moral panic, overly broad legislation has a way of becoming law. In fact, a particular moment comes to mind.

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As written, The Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 doesn't require that someone be under investigation on child pornography charges in order for police to access their Internet history -- being suspected of any crime is enough. (It may even be made available in civil matters like divorce trials or child custody battles.) Nor do police need probable cause to search this information.


So yup, what do you think? I'm certain this does something, that however is not protecting children.
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Posted on 08-03-11 03:09:26 PM Link | Quote
As written, The Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 doesn't require that someone be under investigation on child pornography charges in order for police to access their Internet history -- being suspected of any crime is enough. (It may even be made available in civil matters like divorce trials or child custody battles.) Nor do police need probable cause to search this information.

But of course, giving the bill that name allows them to accuse who opposes it as being a fan of child pornographers. Ugh.

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Eh. Civil rights were sold away with the Patriot Act.

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Posted on 08-03-11 07:19:12 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal_Man88
Eh. Civil rights were sold away with the Patriot Act.

Or to go by the full name, the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act. Whoever named that law clearly put some effort into it.

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Posted on 08-03-11 07:40:34 PM Link | Quote
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Even though on its face, it's just the Alien and Sedition Act all over again.

America has never really cared for Civil Rights. The historically celebrated fights for them shouldn't have been needed to give people such basic rights as freedom. Other countries just up and handed out rights like candy--everything has to be fought for in the US. It's clear that the status quo has always been against people being able to do what they want, even when it harms few people.

Civil Rights are just destroyed in the name of cover causes that have little to do with the actual use of the law. Patriot act is just a generic 'Squash whatever annoys us' clause, and this little ditty here is a 'If we want to arrest someone on drummed up charges, now we can get a whole bunch of evidence we can selectively focus to make it look like even the most normal person is a crazed lunatic ready to kill everyone.'

But that's just this country. One where any rights must be fought for, but even then, they can be effortlessly removed by enough dollar signs.

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Posted on 08-03-11 09:59:06 PM Link | Quote
Love how they did it under the pretence of stopping child porn.

I don't remember where I read that but, basically, it's easy to get the support of politicians by using child porn as an excuse.

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Posted on 08-03-11 10:02:37 PM Link | Quote
Surprised the RIAA/MPAA aren't all over this too actually (to stop piracy)... and hasn't anyone thought of the possibility of some government employee using someone's personal information for ID theft? ;(

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Posted on 08-04-11 01:17:00 AM Link | Quote
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Well, we'll need to develop stronger encryption and anonymization. They might be able to get your records, but if it's all nonsense, it won't matter. That's how you fight back.

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Posted on 08-05-11 02:59:53 PM Link | Quote
Post #4247 · 08-05-11 09:59:53 AM
No, we don't need stronger encryption, we need it to be more widely deployed and accessible, and less susceptible to man-in-the-middle attacks by the ISPs.

In particular, we need a replacement for SSL, supported by browsers and the like, that doesn't require site owners to buy outrageously expensive certs from VeriSign.

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Posted on 08-06-11 02:42:09 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by paulguy
Well, we'll need to develop stronger encryption and anonymization. They might be able to get your records, but if it's all nonsense, it won't matter. That's how you fight back.

Then we'll just have to outlaw such things, and have the ISPs drop encrypted packets.

What, do you hate children or something? Why would you oppose it if you have nothing to hide?



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Posted on 08-06-11 08:30:41 AM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Metal_Man88
Eh. Civil rights were sold away with the Patriot Act.

Or to go by the full name, the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act. Whoever named that law clearly put some effort into it.

Wait, is that right? That's almost Kim Jong-il-esque. Nice going, Bush.

I'm really hoping this net thing doesn't happen. It'd really suck if it did.

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Perhaps it won't happen, but they'll keep trying anyway. All it takes is one success to deprive people of their privacy.

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Post #4248 · 08-07-11 07:04:27 AM
And ISPs and politicians keep pushing for that one success, for various different reasons. Privacy and freedom on the internet seem to be under constant attack from all sides.
Originally posted by Imajin
Originally posted by paulguy
Well, we'll need to develop stronger encryption and anonymization. They might be able to get your records, but if it's all nonsense, it won't matter. That's how you fight back.

Then we'll just have to outlaw such things, and have the ISPs drop encrypted packets.

What, do you hate children or something? Why would you oppose it if you have nothing to hide?

Hopefully this would cause enough of an outcry from people who want to use online banking...

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Originally posted by Rena
And ISPs and politicians keep pushing for that one success, for various different reasons. Privacy and freedom on the internet seem to be under constant attack from all sides.
Originally posted by Imajin
Originally posted by paulguy
Well, we'll need to develop stronger encryption and anonymization. They might be able to get your records, but if it's all nonsense, it won't matter. That's how you fight back.

Then we'll just have to outlaw such things, and have the ISPs drop encrypted packets.

What, do you hate children or something? Why would you oppose it if you have nothing to hide?

Hopefully this would cause enough of an outcry from people who want to use online banking...

Encryption is illegal in some countries. I wonder how they deal with the problem with insecure e-commerce/online banking.

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Posted on 08-07-11 02:24:49 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Rena
Hopefully this would cause enough of an outcry from people who want to use online banking...

For some reason I'm reminded of how South Korea by law used to require a specific ActiveX plugin for online banking... (which of course forced everyone there to use IE)

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