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Posted on 07-07-11 09:50:26 PM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
The difference being that, in Zelda 1, if you lost, you just started over from the beginning of the dungeon again, as opposed to starting over from the overworld again. (You could also buy life potions as often as your money allowed, without having them disappear forever when you get them once.)

Long story short, the "lives" mechanic of Zelda 2 is absolute bullshit.

Not sure how that really has anything to do with the lives system, (Would you prefer the game without them?) but I never said I like the fact that on Game Over you spawn back at the Northern Palace. My statement was in regards to the fact that both Zelda 1 and Zelda II are mostly are directionless "land of death caves and unexplained dungeons."

But Zelda II has overworld paths, a world that is designed for mostly leading the player through the dungeons in a feasible order, and NPCs that say things more helpful than "Dodongo dislikes smoke."

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Posted on 07-07-11 09:53:41 PM

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I find most of the puzzles in zelda 1 was easier to solve on your own though. Even if you got more tips in game in zelda 2, if you could not figure something out, you where clueless on where to go.

Hammering a random tree is a great example. I was not even aware you could hammer anything other then rocks.

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Posted on 07-07-11 11:46:13 PM (last edited by Reshiram at 07-08-11 12:12 PM)

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上手に生きられますように・・Zelda 1 wasn't so much a land of death caves as just a desert with random useless "rooms". You WANTED to find the death areas. The whole thing is just walking around looking for the next solvable dungeon and waste money on shops if you happen to find one.

Zelda 2 on the other hand just throws the death caves randomly everywhere and it's ambiguous on where you should and shouldn't go next. Looking for a numbered dungeon doesn't work, you NEED to go to random places. In an specific order. Through a death land.

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Posted on 07-08-11 04:26:57 AM

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Don't forget that the palace order in Zelda 2 is fairly linear (if you don't just go into a palace, take the item and leave right away). I mean, theoretically you COULD do the first palace last but then the caves are an absolute bitch without the Candle. Other than that, you need the item in every palace in order to move on to the next one.

Zelda 1 at least gave you options... hell, you could chose to do Level 2 last!

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Posted on 07-08-11 01:08:22 PM

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You could also take level 6 last, which was harder then 7 and 8.

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Posted on 07-08-11 01:13:23 PM

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These days when I play Zelda I, I always switch the order of levels 6 and 7. Not sure how the designers thought that goriya were harder than wizzrobes.

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Posted on 07-08-11 03:11:12 PM

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上手に生きられますように・・

Originally posted by Terra
These days when I play Zelda I, I always switch the order of levels 6 and 7. Not sure how the designers thought that goriya were harder than wizzrobes.

Wizzrobes used to do far less damage, with blue ones doing the same damage as Goriya and orange ones doing two hearts. Also, blue Wizzrobes were less common.
Really the prototype feels more balanced.

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Posted on 07-08-11 09:51:17 PM

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Originally posted by Karis
You could also take level 6 last, which was harder then 7 and 8.

Don't remind me. I found Level 6 like, third.

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Posted on 07-09-11 01:19:04 AM (last edited by Rambly at 07-08-11 10:31 PM)

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Originally posted by Colin
Zelda 1 at least gave you options... hell, you could chose to do Level 2 last!

With how out-of-the-way Level 2 is, I know a lot of people who have actually done exactly this unintentionally...

e: Zelda 2 may be frustrating in terms of difficulty, and I think that the way continuing was done is kind of cheap bullshit, but even with that taken into account it's undeniably a more well-designed game than Zelda 1. Zelda 1 offered bizarrely cryptic hints (or no hints at all), endless boring dull barren wastelands with absolutely nothing to interact with, bombable walls with no hints that end up leading to trap guys that punish the player for merely exploring by taking their rupees... I love the non-linearity and sense of adventure it has, but they pulled it off really poorly. It is not a game that has aged well. It's honestly really easy to figure out where to go in Zelda 2 if you're paying close enough attention. And it did contribute a lot in its own way--what with the magic system continuing to be used and the combat system pretty much directly influencing every 3D Zelda game. It was radically different, and I wouldn't mind if they explored something in that vein again--except maybe making it just slightly less painfully, sadistically difficult.

...but, really, this is all irrelevant because the Zelda designers didn't get things truly consistently right until Zelda 3. I'd much rather replay A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening than ever touch Zelda 1 or 2 again.

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Posted on 07-09-11 01:35:07 AM

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I like Zelda 2 a tiny bit more than 1...
I like Twilight Princess most, though...

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Posted on 07-09-11 04:42:14 AM (last edited by Reshiram at 07-09-11 03:40 AM)

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上手に生きられますように・・Of course, Zelda 1 aged far worse in comparision, the second introduced most things that at least gave the series a proper world other than a beige screen with green rocks and old men.

It just doesn't try to actively murder you.

In fact, while aLttP changed everything and pretty much defined most of things, AoL did put a precedent for things like a plot and (better) defined landscapes and such.

Though I still think both games seriously need some sort of remake that fixes what's wrong with them. BSZelda sort of was one and I honestly find it far more enjoyable even though it's like a "mini-zelda" and has some of its own bullshit despite fixing most of the old one.

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Posted on 07-09-11 05:47:34 AM

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Zelda 1 threw the BS at you hard in the second quest. Walk-through walls? Now how in the world are you supposed to know that trick exists?

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Posted on 07-09-11 05:07:17 PM

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Wall-through walls are just as confusing as having to bomb or set fire to random places. Especially because that requires ammunition.

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Posted on 07-14-11 09:02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Colin
Zelda 1 threw the BS at you hard in the second quest. Walk-through walls? Now how in the world are you supposed to know that trick exists?

you've got the map and compass, beaten the boss (gleeok in level 2, lol) and got your triforce chunk, but still no item

now, there's this hole in the middle of the map, and you just KNOW from your experiences in the first quest that there's a room there, and the most likely entry seems to be the room to the north of it, where that thin corridor leads right up to the center of the adjoining wall

but you bombed that already and it didn't make a hole

you bomb it again, and it still doesn't make a hole

you try bombing it again, pushing in the direction of the wall right up against the center of the wall, because you KNOW this hallway just SCREAMS "THIS WALL IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE HIDDEN ITEM ROOM"

and then, right before the bomb explodes, you play the secret tune and just pass right on through the wall

and you jump and fall backwards out of your chair in surprise

and pull the controller back with you

and pull the console back with the controller, and bump it on something

and the game freezes, and you have to do the whole dungeon all over again, since you didn't save

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Posted on 07-19-11 02:57:27 AM

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Wow, you must feel pretty special don't you? Even I haven't beaten Zelda 2 yet. Congratulations on the epic win.

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Posted on 07-19-11 03:08:28 AM

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I needed Nintendo Power to actually tell me "oh yeah, you can walk through walls despite the fact there are NO walk-through walls at all in the first quest and there is NO mention of anything like that in the manual".

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Posted on 07-19-11 03:36:32 AM

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I wonder if Nintendo deliberately threw tough "puzzles" in their early games to sell more copies of Nintendo Power magazines and guides.

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Posted on 07-19-11 04:33:39 AM

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Now play the other black sheep fan favorite!

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Posted on 07-19-11 11:13:29 AM

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Originally posted by windwaker
Now play the other black sheep fan favorite!

Implying your name?

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