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Rick M'Lord, there's a knife in your head! Level: 152      Posts: 4462/7540 EXP: 43723948 For next: 577712 Since: 02-15-10 From: Maine Since last post: 7 days Last activity: 6 days
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| By creating a new, gender-neutral pre-school!
What do you think of this, Jul? ____________________ |
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Liliana "A horrible person". That's what it says. "A horrible person." We weren't even testing for that. Level: NaN Posts: 2975/-3841 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 07-23-07 Since last post: 10.3 years Last activity: 10.1 years
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Now this is something I highly approve of. 
It would certainly help children find themselves in early years, and not when they're adult or so. ____________________ |
Peardian Magikoopa 16/3/1: KvSG #479 is up! Level: 157  Posts: 4977/7597 EXP: 48604859 For next: 974374 Since: 08-02-07 From: Isle Delfino Since last post: 11 days Last activity: 23 hours
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Nicole Disk-kun Level: 146  Posts: 4300/6469 EXP: 38286298 For next: 226996 Since: 07-07-07 Pronouns: she/her From: Boston, MA Since last post: 78 days Last activity: 1 day
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Originally posted by Peardian I personally am a big advocate of singular they, but even I have to admit in other cases it sounds really awkward... (like, "themselves" doesn't work very well referring to a singular) I'm not a big fan of gender-specific third person pronouns, but I'm also not a fan of any of the neologisms I've heard for English, so it is difficult... 
Though the article does mention they seem to be supporting a neologism "hen". (for Swedish, of course, not English) ____________________ |
CB Flippitty Flip Level: 90  Posts: 2024/2280 EXP: 6979123 For next: 209486 Since: 02-01-11 From: Canadaland Since last post: 10.5 years Last activity: 10.4 years
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Well, it's interesting. However I do believe that placing lego next to the kitcen in order to "prevent mental barriers" is a little extreme. However all the luck too them. ____________________ Protip, never copy the entire page source code into your post header. Ever. |
FieryIce Luigi Level: 119  Posts: 2718/4161 EXP: 18759082 For next: 170209 Since: 12-18-08 From: Chicago Since last post: 189 days Last activity: 3 days
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Originally posted by Imajin What's wrong with "themself"? Languages are constantly evolving, all it takes is a bunch of people constantly using they for 3rd person neuter singular and it stops being awkward. ____________________  |
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Sanqui 2060    💛🤍💜🖤🦉 Level: 87  Posts: 910/2066 EXP: 6311563 For next: 81211 Since: 12-20-09 Pronouns: any ✨ From: Czechia | Estonia Since last post: 15 days Last activity: 1 day
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Look, a lil' floating box!
 Wow, that's pretty awesome.
Apart from the obvious problems in language: in Swedish, 'hen' probably sounds okay next to 'han' and 'hon'; English at least has the singular they (which I've gotten used to); but Czech uses the masculine pronoun when referring to an unknown person, and there's no way around it (unless you want to imply that the person is inanimate); I really think this is a great idea. It's about time, too. It probably is a bit "extreme", but I see literally no good reasons against. Originally posted by CB The mental barrier thing is probably something the writer added for effect; I see no reason not to place legos next to the kitchen though?? ____________________ |
Lunaria Moon Bunny! :3 Level: 139 Posts: 3906/5754 EXP: 32053403 For next: 414042 Since: 07-28-07 Pronouns: she/her From: pile of fluff Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 6 days
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I support this, and I must admit that the psychologist rise an interesting question, shame he's a stereotype retard. I mean, what is to say girls should not be able to take part in such activities as well without getting weird looks? This is not Making things not gender bias means that girls can do boy things, and boys can do girl things without being weird. What most morrons seem to say is only one way, that boys do girl things. Which is a stupid way to look at things, the whole idea is that everyone get to do what they want to do, without being biased towards anything. And if everyone gets to do what they want to do, rather then doing what they think they want to do, I'm sure everyone will be happier. (Except companies that strive on gender rolls. (which there are a lot of.)) I'm not sure if this post make much sense, I'm writting it while on the same time I feel terribly sick. Anyhoof, I wanted to speak what was on my mind. ____________________ Luna won't you cry for me, I'm as lonely as I've ever been. I am forced back into the start, Is there any way to fix a broken heart? |
Orlandu Holy SwordsMan Level: 137  Posts: 4748/5913 EXP: 30480206 For next: 392649 Since: 01-12-10 From: Las Vegas, NV Since last post: 4.0 years Last activity: 208 days
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Lunaria Moon Bunny! :3 Level: 139 Posts: 3908/5754 EXP: 32053403 For next: 414042 Since: 07-28-07 Pronouns: she/her From: pile of fluff Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 6 days
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Originally posted by Orlandu What you say make sense, but it's also their work to prevent fighting. Simply telling people to stop fighting won't help for the most part, it's better to suggest solutions. I agree though, going the other extreme won't help. But honestly, at this point, I think it's a better starting point. They will surely get more of the other extreme as they go on in life from that school. :/ ____________________ Luna won't you cry for me, I'm as lonely as I've ever been. I am forced back into the start, Is there any way to fix a broken heart? |
Gabu Star Mario Placeholder Ikachan until :effort: is found Level: 172  Posts: 6399/9981 EXP: 67992557 For next: 109677 Since: 08-10-09 Pronouns: they/them, she/her From: Santa Cruisin' USA Since last post: 56 days Last activity: 4 days
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Sponty Part boy, part car; Boycar, Protector and King of Chilladelphia Level: 184  Posts: 9440/11098 EXP: 85642754 For next: 476656 Since: 08-24-07 Pronouns: he/him From: Canada Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 5 days
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Gabu Star Mario Placeholder Ikachan until :effort: is found Level: 172 Posts: 6418/9981 EXP: 67992557 For next: 109677 Since: 08-10-09 Pronouns: they/them, she/her From: Santa Cruisin' USA Since last post: 56 days Last activity: 4 days
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YK Permabanned! At some point you just have to cease and de-racist. Level: NaN  Posts: 610/-665 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 06-25-10 From: Oregon Since last post: 10.6 years Last activity: 9.8 years
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| You know, at first I read the posts here and though, "it's about time". But then I read Orlandu's thoughts on the subject, and... it seems like they're going to opposite extremes by eliminating "stereotypes". I agree that stereotypical gender roles are overplayed, unnecessary, and often just cause pain for those who defy them, but I also see little good in trying to basically reverse the stereotypical roles, either, since enforcing stereotypes is enforcing stereotypes, even if you *are* trying to change them into "Pink Boys, Blue Girls". If my hypothetical boy wants to wear dresses and play Barbies, I'll let him. But if he wants to play with cars and wants to do other rough-n-tumble "boy" things, I'm not going to stop him from doing that, either. To deny our sons and daughters access to stereotypical boy/girl activities would be no different than many of our families not accepting that we didn't want *to* do those things...
In the end, it's a noble idea, which could work with some modification, but as it stands, it's not really "diversity" if you're *only* exposing children to 'alternate' lifestyles. Heterosexual relationships and dual parents may be "stereotypical", but that's only because they're extremely common. Trying to make it out like heterosexual marriage, living with mommy and daddy, girls playing house, and boys playing cars are all just outdated/negative stereotypes is just forcing a different kind of hate. It's best to teach a child that, yes, usually what happens is a man and woman get married and have children, but that's not *always* the case, and there are many, many different ideas of what a "family" are in this day and age. Basically, move forward, but don't discard the past as silly and outdated, when that's far from the case. I'm not homosexual, but I have many friends that are, and I'd like to hope that what they want is simply to be treated as equals, and that they don't go overboard and start hating heteros the same way many heteros hate homos. Battling hate with hate is counterproductive, hypocritical... and the cycle needs to be broken somewhere... ____________________ |
paulguy Green Birdo Level: 93  Posts: 1664/2294 EXP: 8032690 For next: 20120 Since: 09-14-07 From: Buffalo, NY Since last post: 9.7 years Last activity: 9.7 years
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Paulguy's Post configuration YK makes some good points, especially with respect to heterosexual relationships.
I'm homosexual and have no problem with it and have no issues heterosexual relationships, either. It's how reproduction works. I can't really argue for the "natural"-ness of homosexuality, but heterosexual sex is the intended way to make more of a species (though I do have to say that everyone making tons of babies wouldn't be good.). They should be taught both sides, because it sucks when you're a preteen and you find yourself attracted to males and you think it's wrong but can't do anything about it, because you were never really taught that it's normal, and peers certainly don't make it any easier at that age. EDIT: To clarify: They should obviously taught that heterosexual relationships are obviously the way that babies are made, I just didn't go on about that too long because of my obvious bias towards one end of things, and I have no personal experience with respect to it. On the other hand, this would all be just kind of weird at pre-school age. Maybe just mention that the alternatives can happen but not go in to detail about it, so they get the idea that the other possibilities aren't so wrong, the way I kind of grew up to think about myself when I was pre-teen. So maybe kind of reinforce it at pre-teen age, when all of that sort of stuff is kind of developing for people. ____________________ |
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Nicole Disk-kun Level: 146 Posts: 4373/6469 EXP: 38286298 For next: 226996 Since: 07-07-07 Pronouns: she/her From: Boston, MA Since last post: 78 days Last activity: 1 day
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Originally posted by The DoctorOriginally posted by Gabu Maybe the thought is that the children will be exposed to those sorts of "normal" topics outside of school (though I admit to having a general lack of knowledge about what kinds of things young Swedish children are exposed to)... after all, school is not the entirety of a child's life, even at that age. ____________________ |
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