The problem is that it's an impossible problem Bagel.

If people are not healthy it's harder to get a job, regardless of if you give it your all or not, if you don't have a job you can't stay healthy.

The problem is also under taxing and over taxing. I don't think anyone here is against the idea that people who work hard can get rich, it's a basic concept. But it's just not that simple, there are people who are rich simply without any hard work, which is birth luck partly, but that's not always the case.

The idea is to tax people based on their incomes rather then taxing everyone equally, because, let's face it, everyone is not equal, and anyone who says so is lying.

The only real defence I keep hearing from people that don't want to lower taxes for the poor is simply that they are/will become lazy. While this can be true, there will always be people who are lazy and just ride along with what they have, but from my own experience these people drop in over the whole spectrum. Not to mention that there will ALWAYS be people who abuse the system, regardless of what system it is.

Right now, as we speak, there are people who abuse the system, and they mostly seem to pile up on the rich side, which should be quite obvious. While the US claims to be democratic, what I mostly see is a country run with capitalist means. Anyone with money can influence the politics greatly, and while anyone is free to start their own party, the current US system pretty much prevents any new party from getting a say in any country matters, rather, they are stuck in stately matters.

Also I should note, that IIRC, survives points that most of people that are unemployed actually do want a job. It's very easy to just go around and talk about how those poor people don't want to work for anything, but you really need to look into it more deeply then that if you want to form a honest opinion.

Allow me to give an example.

A friend of mine lives in the UK, on his 18th birthday his parents kicked him out and took all savings he had and everything. (naturally, stuff like this is against the law in Sweden, but whatever.) His education is not done, he got no place to live, no work experience, and no job. In order for him to survive he turned to the social system in order to get help. Right, so now "rents" a room via a government system that pays most of the rent as well as he gets slight money support from them.

Now, what he wanted to do first was finishing his studies, which makes sense. I know he was able to get support from the social system to be able to go one year, but from what I know it ended there. While he actively searches for a job since he is under feed due to not being able to afford food he have trouble getting on. Not to mention that if he gets a job his founding will go away and he can't live where he lives now.

Now, you might think that this proves exactly your point, since the social system covers so much it's not worth it to get a job. But if you really stop and actually read again, it should be obvious to both you and me, that no one wants to live like that. Barely enough food to survive and living with people that are drug addicts. He wants to get a job, he would love to have a job so he does not need the support and so he can get his own place.

Do you see what I mean when I say it's an impossible problem now?

If you're poor from the get go, got no place to live, with no social system that provides means to get a job you can support yourself on, there really is not much you can do.

But then, you might say, since they are in such a situation maybe they should take two full time jobs to be able to support themselves. That is also fridge logic. If you can't eat or afford medical care, taking two full time jobs is almost like signing your death sentence. Not to mention, you would most likely not even be able to do the work needed in the job.

And this is all assuming there even are jobs to get in the first place, in reality, it's not that simple since almost every work market is over saturated.


Don't get me wrong, I do think that people who do their best should be rewarded for it, but I think everyone should have a fair chance of getting to that point, rather then only those who are born in families that can afford it.


And even then, that's not all. I did not even start talking about people that have more money then they could ever use up in both their own and their children's life span. Obviously they should be taxed more to support the country they live in since they have the possibility to.


You know what blows my mind about this whole thing though? This is what people consider the basic.basic stuff over here in Sweden. We may have shit education that needs to be modernized as well as a government that don't understand IT. But I do believe that I could not even imagine living in the US with either of those partys in charge since they are both way way to conservative.

/rant

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