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Posted on 04-08-11 08:49:46 PM (last edited by Sofi at 04-08-11 06:15 PM)

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I think a lot of people misunderstand the test or the type indicator system in general. It helps people gain insight on themselves by knowing what sort of innate preferences they have when making decisions or gathering information in the world. The test can suggest a variety of different preferences but it's just a test and I think it really boils down to how much introspection you want to do just to find out what you are.

The system works from a list of functions, which are a combination of either judging (feeling/thinking) or perceiving (intuition/sensing) and either extraverted or introverted. The letters tell you which functions are your primary two and according to the theory, the first two functions determine what the rest of your functions are. People who are balanced don't lack a type—everyone has some sort of type because they have some sort of default behavior—but it just means you're diverse.

Again, that means your type doesn't change!

Finding your type can be helpful for some people if it gives insight on how you understand the world. You can pick up on what sort of things you need to work on achieve a better balance.

When applied to others, also, the system isn't designed for categorization but instead to provide insight on how other people understand the world.

So, Metal_Man88, just because you may be socially stimulated doesn't mean your type changes! Anyone of any type can be social regardless of whether their dominant function is introverted or extraverted. Just because you might use a certain function more in a certain situation doesn't make you a different type!

And also personality description write-ups are not a definitive list of qualities for each type; they are stereotypes made from extrapolating understanding of how each function contributes to one's personality. And most simple MBTI tests just work off these stereotypes.

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Well, therein lies the ambiguity--every time I take the test, it hangs out around the middle of the E/I function, making it difficult to tell which one is actually my type.

The only clue I've found is that the "Field Marshal" type better describes my tendency to automatically become the leader of whatever I'm on--but it isn't super-strongly indicated, as then there are also the more INTJ type behaviors I do, such as, well, the whole computer-forums arc and beyond.

But I guess what you mean is that the test picks out the primary functions--the ones which win out over the others a lot of the time--rather than it restricting people from using the other ones. That's the sense I make of it, anyway.

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Posted on 04-08-11 09:47:24 PM (last edited by Sofi at 04-08-11 06:49 PM)

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Well, like I stated, tests aren't the perfect indicator for this. I actually tend to get somewhere between ENFJ or INFJ most of the time I take the tests, but I know for certain my primary focus when I interact with the world is to recognize and take care of other people's feelings and values and then use that to intuit new ideas and thoughts (ENFJ) rather than creating new ideas and thoughts extrapolated from concrete information and then measuring it up with people's feelings and values (INFJ).

Similarly, an ENTJ would want to organize and monitor people efficiently and productively and then come up with ways to do that rather than coming up with ideas first and then judging whether they serve that purpose, which is what an INTJ would do. Both types are probably fascinated with computers and hang out on computer forums.

And yeah, the last bit you said—I think you understood me.

Also, I realize the contradiction of being like, hey guys, here's a test! take it! and then writing in a different post that tests are bad and you should use introspection instead. I don't think everyone is as deeply interested in the theory as other people are so for people who are just having fun, tests will certainly suffice. :T

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Introspection is pretty damn difficult. There are a lot of things I'd like to know about me, that I think would require an external party to kind of pick that apart.

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Posted on 04-11-11 02:19:59 AM

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I'm INTP.

One funny thing is really this:

A major concern for INTPs is the haunting sense of impending failure. They spend considerable time second-guessing themselves. The open-endedness (from Perceiving) conjoined with the need for competence (NT) is expressed in a sense that one's conclusion may well be met by an equally plausible alternative solution, and that, after all, one may very well have overlooked some critical bit of data. An INTP arguing a point may very well be trying to convince himself as much as his opposition. In this way INTPs are markedly different from INTJs, who are much more confident in their competence and willing to act on their convictions.

Anybody who knows me well will probably agree that this is about as dead-on as one can get.

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Hmm, I'm supposedly INTJ but I'm not very confident in my competence at all.

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Posted on 04-11-11 08:20:49 AM

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I'm ESFP, apparently. I like these quizzes when I'm coming up with new characters -- characters don't change as rapidly as living, human beings. :X So it helps hammer down the specifics of their personalities.

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Posted on 04-11-11 12:51:09 PM

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When it comes to the mundane details of life maintenance, INFPs are typically completely unaware of such things. They might go for long periods without noticing a stain on the carpet, but carefully and meticulously brush a speck of dust off of their project booklet.

INFPs do not like to deal with hard facts and logic. Their focus on their feelings and the Human Condition makes it difficult for them to deal with impersonal judgment. They don't understand or believe in the validity of impersonal judgment, which makes them naturally rather ineffective at using it. Most INFPs will avoid impersonal analysis, although some have developed this ability and are able to be quite logical. Under stress, it's not uncommon for INFPs to mis-use hard logic in the heat of anger, throwing out fact after (often inaccurate) fact in an emotional outburst.

INFPs have very high standards and are perfectionists. Consequently, they are usually hard on themselves, and don't give themselves enough credit. INFPs may have problems working on a project in a group, because their standards are likely to be higher than other members' of the group. In group situations, they may have a "control" problem. The INFP needs to work on balancing their high ideals with the requirements of every day living. Without resolving this conflict, they will never be happy with themselves, and they may become confused and paralyzed about what to do with their lives.

INFPs are usually talented writers. They may be awkard and uncomfortable with expressing themselves verbally, but have a wonderful ability to define and express what they're feeling on paper. INFPs also appear frequently in social service professions, such as counselling or teaching. They are at their best in situations where they're working towards the public good, and in which they don't need to use hard logic.

INFPs who function in their well-developed sides can accomplish great and wonderful things, which they will rarely give themselves credit for. Some of the great, humanistic catalysts in the world have been INFPs. 

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Posted on 04-12-11 06:29:35 AM

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I've actually had a class that focused on this relatively extensively. I'm pretty solidly an ISTP. The S was the only remotely debatable part of my personality.

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