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Posted on 03-29-11 10:04:20 AM Link | Quote
This might result in a conversation of political correctness and racism but I thought it was worth pointing out: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/03/27/how-to-raise-the-status-of-teachers/consider-cultural-differences


As a teacher, I have no objection to raising the status of my profession, but to think that doing so is going to change how much students learn is as unrealistic as all the hand wringing going on over the results of the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) tests.

Take the PISA results in reading. Overall, American students placed 17 among the 65 nations reporting, but when the U.S. results are broken down by race and ethnicity, we see that Asian Americans ranked second in the world, while white Americans ranked sixth.

Do such scores merit the warning that came out of one Washington think tank that we are in a “Sputnik moment”? Hardly.

The overall ranking for the U.S. is lower because of the scores of Hispanic and African American students, with Hispanics ranked 41st and black, non-Hispanics ranked 46th in the reading tests. This situation is unacceptable and highlights once again the most intractable problem in many of our schools. However, to glorify the education systems of relatively homogeneous countries like Singapore and Finland as models while denigrating American schools faced with far greater challenges is ridiculous.

I can’t blame those analyzing the PISA results for failing to highlight the racial and ethnic differences in the test scores because it’s politically sensitive territory. But the fact is that there are crucial socio-economic and cultural differences at play in those scores — differences that raising the status of teachers is not going to change.

Let’s face it: Asian children, whether living in Singapore or America, have an academic work ethic that would put most American kids to shame. Just look at Thomas Jefferson High School, the magnet school in Fairfax County Virginia, often touted as the best high school in the county. Admissions are based mainly on the results of standardized tests issued to eight graders. The class that entered as 9th graders this past September is 57.5 percent Asian — this in an affluent county that is 59 percent white and only 16 percent Asian.

Giving teachers high status is not a means to an end — i.e. higher test scores for students — but a result coming from parents and children who, as is seen in so many Asian families, revere learning and are willing to put in the time to do the hard work involved in learning.


I think this shows how deep the education (and income, and/or class) gap is in the USA. As a Latino this makes me want to work harder, though others might have a different reaction to this.
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Posted on 03-29-11 11:03:33 AM (last edited by Terra at 03-29-11 11:03 AM) Link | Quote
I think some of it has to do with the unfortunate fact that Blacks and Latinos often live in poorer parts of cities where good teachers don't want to teach and the schools are of bad quality. Young people in the ghetto of Detroit often believe that the only path to success for them is getting lucky enough to be a star rapper or basketball player, and they get messages from their surroundings and society that education is "for White people" only and they should instead learn how to be criminals and build "street cred".

It's rather sad. Blacks and Latinos are human like anyone else and have the same potential as Whites and Asians, but so many of them just throw it away because of the poverty they live in. And this causes bigots to think that Blacks and Latinos are inherently dumb and that all of them act like the ghetto ones. And this, in turn, causes more Blacks and Latinos to internalize this and think that the ghetto way is the only way even more. It's a vicious cycle.
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Posted on 03-29-11 11:46:21 AM Link | Quote
I thought Singapore was fairly mixed ethnically?
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Posted on 03-29-11 01:50:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Imajin
I thought Singapore was fairly mixed ethnically?

Originally posted by Wikipedia
Of its residents, 74.2% are of Chinese descent, 13.4% are of Malay descent , and 9.2% are of Indian descent.
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Posted on 03-29-11 02:10:04 PM Link | Quote
Around here it's more due to apathy than media, though. The local high school is full of babysitters, not teachers; I hear nightmarish stories coming from that place. It's because somehow these kids are being brought up to believe that being educated is uncool or otherwise without value, and that in order to succeed, you have to somehow "beat the odds" because it's perceived as being easier than going to school.
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Posted on 03-29-11 02:11:08 PM Link | Quote
Are they implying that the US is the only country with mixed population race? V_v;
It comes off as that for me, which also bullshit.


Not to mention that it might not have to do with the race or culture of the person, but rather how they are approached by the rest of the school system. I doubt all of the problem rest on one end, regardless of what end, which is what the article also seam to imply. :/
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Posted on 03-29-11 06:58:53 PM (last edited by Gabu at 03-29-11 06:59 PM) Link | Quote
I don't think it implies that Americans are the only ones with a mixed population. It just has one wherein the races are considered radically different from one another due to people being brought up to believe in the way they do, and perpetuating a vicious cycle. It's almost like an unspoken, but implicit educational caste system that goes a little something like this:

-Blacks
-Hispanics (can be switched around with blacks depending on region)
-Native American
-Indian (from India! )
-Whites (Can be switched around with Indians depending on region)
-Asians

And then the working world is kind of the same thing. In terms of "the superior race" caste system, it's always whites the come out mostly on top.
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Posted on 03-29-11 07:52:51 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gabu
I don't think it implies that Americans are the only ones with a mixed population. It just has one wherein the races are considered radically different from one another due to people being brought up to believe in the way they do, and perpetuating a vicious cycle. It's almost like an unspoken, but implicit educational caste system that goes a little something like this:

-Blacks
-Hispanics (can be switched around with blacks depending on region)
-Native American
-Indian (from India! )
-Whites (Can be switched around with Indians depending on region)
-Asians

And then the working world is kind of the same thing. In terms of "the superior race" caste system, it's always whites the come out mostly on top.


I thought Indians (from India) would tie with Asians above whites. I've been to the NIH several times and it's full of Indians and Asians.

Anyway, I agree with you, the article implies that there is a huge education gap in the USA and that if everyone achieved as good as the best achieving minority group (Asians) then America's students would score 2nd in the world. Pretty much...
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