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Posted on 03-05-11 07:48:26 PM

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Yeah, I've seen that, though it has seemed a bit better for me in the past 2-3 days. Usually, I'd only be able to get to the main page and check the Recent Changes page, but not much else - if it connected, that is.

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Posted on 03-05-11 08:03:31 PM

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>>ESTABLISHING LINK...DONE.    >>FETCHING POST DATA...DONE.    >>EXECUTING POSTDISP.BIN...

Got pretty much exactly the same problem, and I'm kinda glad that I'm not the only one. I tend to be able to check the main page, but if I then try to look at ex. the Recent Changes, the connection either times out or I get a kind of style-less version of the page I'm trying to load, after which I get nothing.

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Posted on 03-05-11 08:05:15 PM

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It doesn't appear to be a geographic problem either. I live just 40 km away and have no problems whatsoever with the wiki. That's quite strange.

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Posted on 03-05-11 08:20:17 PM

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I've actually had no problems with it, so...yeah.

I've been surfing around it fine with no loading troubles.

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Posted on 03-05-11 08:27:56 PM (last edited by Sanky at 03-05-11 05:28 PM)

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I don't seem to be having any problems, but you could try opening up the source and having a look at  around the end -- that might help to see if it's server-side or if the problem is elsewere.

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Posted on 03-05-11 08:48:42 PM

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>>ESTABLISHING LINK...DONE.    >>FETCHING POST DATA...DONE.    >>EXECUTING POSTDISP.BIN...

Main page: <!-- Served in 0.284 secs. --> - yet it's another style-less display.

Recent changes: <!-- Served in 1.342 secs. --> - which did display correctly.

Talk:Phantasy Star II: Connection timeout.

Phantasy Star II: <!-- Served in 2.507 secs. --> - also displayed correctly.

Wrecking Crew: <!-- Served in 0.413 secs. --> - style-less.

Category:NES games: <!-- Served in 0.374 secs. --> - displayed correctly.

Also, each of the pages that did load took several seconds from showing the page title in the browser's title bar, to actually showing the page itself.

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Posted on 03-05-11 08:58:49 PM

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Chalk another one up for "it works just fine for me," and all the pages I checked were served in about 0.5 seconds.

I can't say I can offer an explanation, though.

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Posted on 03-06-11 01:13:36 AM

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My loading times are the usual (fast).

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Posted on 03-06-11 01:25:07 AM (last edited by CB at 03-05-11 10:25 PM)

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Maybe there is too many pictures/videos for your computer to handle? It loads fine for me.

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Posted on 03-07-11 03:09:54 AM

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For the record, the VPS has a graph on it that shows its connection times to download the main page:

As you can see, it's normal.

Originally posted by xdaniel
Main page: - yet it's another style-less display.
Recent changes: - which did display correctly.
Talkhantasy Star II: Connection timeout.
Phantasy Star II: - also displayed correctly.
Wrecking Crew: - style-less.
Category:NES games: - displayed correctly.

Also, each of the pages that did load took several seconds from showing the page title in the browser's title bar, to actually showing the page itself.

Have you tried tracerouting it?

The style-less and "title first, page much later" sounds like your browser is getting hung up on loading Javascript or some other odd issue. The server itself isn't under particularly heavy load, either.

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Posted on 03-07-11 08:20:57 AM

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	Originally posted by Gig The style-less and "title first, page much later" sounds like your browser is getting hung up on loading Javascript or some other odd issue. The server itself isn't under particularly heavy load, either. Seconding this. I thought it was either the server or my crappy DSL at first, but after performing a little test, this is clearly not the case. I picked a random page from the list of long pages--in this case the Notes page for Ocarina of Time--and timed how long it took for two different browsers to display the page: Mozilla Firefox 3.6.15 (my default) and Google Chrome 9.0.597.107. The results: Firefox: 10 seconds Chrome: 1 second It's interesting to note that Firefox tends to mask its loading times with "Connecting to tcrf.net..." in the status bar. This is pretty misleading, and could give one the impression that the server is taking forever to respond. This is generally not the case. ____________________

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Posted on 03-07-11 10:38:49 AM (last edited by dirbaio at 03-07-11 07:41 AM)

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This is not tcrf-specific:

I also get firefox stuck in "connecting to ???...". But not only with tcrf.net, but also with my vps (dirbaio.net), which is hosted by the same company, and also the website of the company itself (tocici.com)

And it does not only happen with HTTP, but also with SSH, SFTP, Minecraft and everything else. It has troubles establishing a TCP connection.

I've already e-mailed them, and they replied blaming my ISP. But seeing that lots of people here with different ISP's have the same issue, it's probably not my ISP..
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EDIT: Also, Xk, that graph is normal because it probably only takes into account the time of the HTTP request, and not the TCP connection...

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Posted on 03-07-11 11:08:56 AM (last edited by Treeki at 03-07-11 04:40 PM)

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Originally posted by dirbaio
This is not tcrf-specific:

I also get firefox stuck in "connecting to ???...". But not only with tcrf.net, but also with my vps (dirbaio.net), which is hosted by the same company, and also the website of the company itself (tocici.com)

No issues here. Tested on Firefox 3.6.14 and Opera 11.01; both on Arch Linux. On both browsers, the index pages for both dirbaio.net and tcrf.net load in about 3 seconds.

traceroute to tcrf.net (199.223.127.205), 30 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 10.0.0.2 (10.0.0.2) 0.993 ms 0.857 ms 0.816 ms
2 172.31.1.2 (172.31.1.2) 11.954 ms 31.050 ms 22.729 ms
3 192.168.40.6 (192.168.40.6) 58.177 ms 36.231 ms 14.255 ms
4 ge0-0-2-35.core1.gibraltar.sapphire.gi (85.115.128.43) 11.202 ms 16.990 ms 14.069 ms
5 ae0-0.Jcore2.gibraltar.sapphire.gi (85.115.128.41) 11.218 ms 29.211 ms 13.139 ms
6 ge0-1-5-0.Jcore2.madrid.sapphire.gi (85.115.128.62) 32.113 ms ge0-0-4-0.Jcore2.madrid.sapphire.gi (85.115.128.48) 26.445 ms ae3-202.Jcore2.madrid.sapphire.gi (85.115.128.46) 48.193 ms
7 ae0-0.Jcore1.madrid.sapphire.gi (85.115.128.54) 26.718 ms 45.005 ms 21.925 ms
8 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.lon1.he.net (195.66.224.21) 91.728 ms 82.432 ms 77.879 ms
9 10gigabitethernet4-4.core1.nyc4.he.net (72.52.92.241) 139.273 ms 10gigabitethernet7-4.core1.nyc4.he.net (72.52.92.77) 158.483 ms 141.332 ms
10 10gigabitethernet8-3.core1.chi1.he.net (72.52.92.178) 184.114 ms 158.348 ms 167.542 ms
11 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.den1.he.net (184.105.213.86) 188.501 ms 184.947 ms 192.397 ms
12 10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sea1.he.net (184.105.213.41) 210.468 ms 240.383 ms 212.588 ms
13 10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.pdx1.he.net (72.52.92.10) 223.581 ms 227.779 ms 224.643 ms
14 tocici.gigabitethernet2-11.core1.pdx1.he.net (65.19.175.14) 215.461 ms 213.506 ms 217.025 ms
15 pdxvmh10.tocici.com (199.223.127.10) 242.033 ms 219.968 ms 231.862 ms
16 199.223.127.205 (199.223.127.205) 229.011 ms 222.036 ms 214.651 ms

edit: In Gibraltar, using GibNet/Sapphire Networks as my ISP

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Posted on 03-07-11 11:18:33 AM (last edited by dirbaio at 03-07-11 08:24 AM)

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Yeah, that's the problem: it is location-specific.
With some ISP's the issues are evident, with others not.

May I suggest that everybody who has issues posts here the output of a traceroute, so Xk (or me, or both) can have more evidence to mail to tocici? This issue has been getting on my nerves for a week or so, so if we can get them to fix it, that'd be nice.

Here's mine:
traceroute to tcrf.net (199.223.127.205), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.676 ms 2.186 ms 5.629 ms
2 192.168.153.1 (192.168.153.1) 41.546 ms 44.237 ms 45.494 ms
3 145.Red-81-46-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net (81.46.33.145) 47.965 ms 49.456 ms 51.158 ms
4 So2-0-0-0-grtbcntb1.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.6.65) 53.592 ms 55.285 ms 57.491 ms
5 xe11-0-0-0-grtlontc2.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.13.130) 92.256 ms Xe11-2-0-0-grtlontc1.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.13.26) 95.130 ms Xe4-1-2-0-grtloneq1.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.13.78) 96.764 ms
6 Xe-2-0-1-0-grtnycpt2.red.telefonica-wholesale.net.126.142.94.in-addr.arpa (94.142.126.61) 167.296 ms Xe2-0-0-0-grtnycpt3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.15.118) 155.211 ms Xe-0-0-2-0-grtnycpt3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net.126.142.94.in-addr.arpa (94.142.126.69) 145.905 ms
7 94.142.126.189 (94.142.126.189) 212.197 ms Xe1-0-0-0-grtpaopx3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net.119.142.94.in-addr.arpa (94.142.119.53) 214.380 ms Xe0-1-0-0-grtpaopx3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (213.140.49.5) 216.542 ms
8 gige-g4-11.core1.pao1.he.net (66.220.20.133) 213.863 ms 226.985 ms 225.635 ms
9 10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.sjc2.he.net (72.52.92.70) 237.450 ms 230.404 ms 237.063 ms
10 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.pdx1.he.net (72.52.92.14) 244.834 ms 246.339 ms 249.273 ms
11 tocici.gigabitethernet2-11.core1.pdx1.he.net (65.19.175.14) 255.651 ms 257.037 ms 241.092 ms
12 pdxvmh10.tocici.com (199.223.127.10) 225.496 ms 222.531 ms 225.626 ms
13 199.223.127.205 (199.223.127.205) 236.268 ms 237.980 ms 242.593 ms

EDIT: Also please mention country and ISP: Spain, Telefonica de España

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Posted on 03-07-11 12:46:46 PM

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Routenverfolgung zu tcrf.net [199.223.127.205]  über maximal 30 Abschnitte:



  1     6 ms     2 ms     4 ms  fritz.fonwlan.box [192.168.178.1]

  2    43 ms    45 ms    45 ms  217.0.118.226

  3    45 ms    46 ms    42 ms  87.186.252.82

  4    46 ms    42 ms    42 ms  62.156.138.94

  5    42 ms   100 ms    42 ms  ffm-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.251.162]

  6   137 ms   136 ms   133 ms  ash-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.246.64]

  7   206 ms   205 ms   205 ms  sjo-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.252.220]

  8   209 ms   208 ms   213 ms  hurricane-ic-138359-sjo-bb1.c.telia.net [213.248

.67.106]

  9   229 ms   240 ms   231 ms  10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.pdx1.he.net [72.52.92

.14]

 10   227 ms   229 ms   228 ms  tocici.gigabitethernet2-11.core1.pdx1.he.net [65

.19.175.14]

 11   232 ms   234 ms   629 ms  pdxvmh10.tocici.com [199.223.127.10]

 12   231 ms   229 ms   228 ms  199.223.127.205



Ablaufverfolgung beendet.

That spike (marked in red) intrigues me a bit. But it may just be chance.

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Posted on 03-07-11 04:47:00 PM

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Hi guys,

first off, I get similar load times as xDaniel in the page source code (if, not when the site loads). Interestingly, short server times also load without style with me.
I tried multiple browsers, but since this problem is so sporadic, I could only trigger it sometimes. It definitely times out in all browsers though. Especially since IE (my other test browser) will not show the page until fully loaded, this is pretty misleading.

A traceroute of 07 Mar 2011 19:41 UTC + 01 follows:



Tracing route to tcrf.net [199.223.127.205]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  =)

  2    21 ms    21 ms    22 ms  =)

  3    29 ms    21 ms    22 ms  =)

  4    22 ms    22 ms    21 ms  =)

  5    28 ms    28 ms    29 ms  rmwc-gtso-de02-ge-4-0-0-0.nw.mediaways.net [195.71.225.233]

  6    33 ms    35 ms    33 ms  195.71.212.245

  7    48 ms    49 ms    49 ms  xmwc-lond-uk01-chan-1-0.nw.mediaways.net [195.71.254.130]

  8    60 ms    49 ms    49 ms  10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.lon1.he.net [195.66.224.21]

  9   126 ms   122 ms   129 ms  10gigabitethernet4-4.core1.nyc4.he.net [72.52.92.241]

 10   139 ms   142 ms   150 ms  10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.chi1.he.net [72.52.92.102]

 11   178 ms   178 ms   177 ms  10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.den1.he.net [184.105.213.86]

 12   205 ms   198 ms   200 ms  10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sea1.he.net [184.105.213.41]

 13     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 14   201 ms   200 ms   201 ms  tocici.gigabitethernet2-11.core1.pdx1.he.net [65.19.175.14]

 15   200 ms   199 ms   201 ms  pdxvmh10.tocici.com [199.223.127.10]

 16     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 17     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 18     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 19     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 20     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 21     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 22     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 23     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 24     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 25     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 26     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 27     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 28     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 29     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 30     *        *        *     Request timed out.



Trace complete.

First four entries only upon request by an admin. I tried this three times, all look the same. It seems I'm routed through half of the US only to get a timeout!

As you see, I'm pretty sure the problem's not on my end. So please, get this shit fixed :|

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Posted on 03-07-11 06:45:46 PM

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Posted on 03-07-11 06:47:55 PM (last edited by Sukasa at 03-07-11 03:48 PM)

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	Looks like it's an issue between the VPS host and the VPS itself. For reference w/ a connection that doesn't have trouble: Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002] Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\Sukasa>tracert tcrf.net 1 8 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 34 ms 10 ms 11 ms 70.66.64.1 3 13 ms 13 ms 11 ms rd1cv-ge7-1-0-2.gv.shawcable.net [64.59.162.243] 4 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms rd2cv-ge1-0-0.gv.shawcable.net [66.163.72.6] 5 17 ms 16 ms 15 ms rc3wt-ge10-0-0.wa.shawcable.net [66.163.76.217] 6 15 ms 16 ms 14 ms 10gigabitethernet1-3.core1.sea1.he.net [206.81.80.40] 7 22 ms 16 ms 21 ms 10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.pdx1.he.net [72.52.92.10] 8 34 ms 19 ms 19 ms tocici.gigabitethernet2-11.core1.pdx1.he.net [65.19.175.14] 9 30 ms 19 ms 20 ms pdxvmh10.tocici.com [199.223.127.10] 10 46 ms 31 ms 31 ms 199.223.127.205 Trace complete. C:\Users\Sukasa> ____________________ Witty Text Here

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Posted on 03-07-11 07:36:46 PM

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Originally posted by Waffle Ryebread
Jeez. What does TOCICI have against Germany?

In any case, that does seem to be a problem on their end...

And also against Spain?

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