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Posted on 10-08-07 05:34:22 AM; last edit by Kles on 10-08-07 05:34 AM

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	Originally posted by MaxKnight I am a strongly religious Southern Missionary Baptist. Borned-again Christian within the first ten years of my life, baptised into the church the next year, and devoutly practicing ever since. I rarely miss service unless there are pressing concerns keeping me away (such as this week, I stayed home at the apartment in order to be here in ase my brother calls and wants me to bring him something from the apartment to his hospital room). I have visited some other denomination services, a Catholic Mass and a service in a Presbytarian Church. Neither one suited the way I believe. Didn't feel any spirit in either one. Also, not exactly the friendliest lot in either place. Never was greeted or welcomed, which I find important for something that tries to radiate fellowship and love for one another. Don't try to find solace in organized religion, if you're particularly devout. It's all so formulaic and ridiculous. ____________________ ( ﾟ³ﾟ)三№♥

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Posted on 10-08-07 06:44:51 AM

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Well, I can see the whole formulaic thing for some, but for the kind of church I go to, things tend to be much more dynamic. Basically nothing is pre-planned, which is what I've seen in many of organized church gatherings.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I'm most comfortable in the kind of church environment where people are free to shout and testify whenever they feel hit by the spirit to do so. It also helps that it's always a small church where everyone seems to know each other. That's just how they tend to go with Southern Missionary Baptist Churches that came out of Tennessee...

Eh, that's my comfort level, though. Everyone will feel different...

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Posted on 10-08-07 10:36:33 AM; last edit by Tanks on 10-08-07 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Kles
Don't try to find solace in organized religion, if you're particularly devout. It's all so formulaic and ridiculous.

Originally posted by Kles
I swear if you get in to a shitslinging contest in this thread I will rip your nuts off.

Kles, you hypocrite...

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Posted on 10-08-07 10:47:34 AM

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	:blink: I don't even remotely think that was a "shitsling" at all. Shitslinging is "MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD BLA BLA" ridiculous flame wars back and forth. Expressing an opinion about an organized body on the whole is far from it. ____________________ ( ﾟ³ﾟ)三№♥

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Posted on 10-08-07 07:18:40 PM; last edit by TheGreatGuy on 10-08-07 07:23 PM

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Okay, as far as my official religious status goes, as of two years ago I'm a confirmed Catholic, although my beliefs fall well outside those boundaries. Not very religious, as in I don't go to church, etc, but I tend to get into religious debates sometimes with friends of mine, who are even less religious than I am, and we all usually come to a consensus at the end, which is why some of my beliefs are so out there.

First of all, as far as humans go I believe in a combination of creationism and evolution, we cannot dispute evolution, it's proven, but I'm thinking that God influenced evolution in a way that would result in humans. Otherwise, if you look back, we'd have probably had more than one group of life at our intelligence, or likely higher, by now.

When looking at the universe at large, I run into a problem with the Big Bang theory, as it presents the problem of "Where did all that matter come from?" Which I answer with God, but of course, that leads to "Where did God come from?" So I'm not exactly set there.

Finally, the consensus after a discussion on fate, there is both fate and free will. This works, because if you think about it, everything is caused by something else, an infinite chain of reactions. You can make decisions, but the way you act is predetermined by a number of factors, including your upbringing, where you were born, your personality, etc. In the exact same situation(I mean the exact same, nothing being different at all), you'd make the same choice every time, correct? I don't think I explained this entirely properly, but I think I got the idea across.

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Posted on 10-08-07 08:09:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kles
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I don't even remotely think that was a "shitsling" at all. Shitslinging is "MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD BLA BLA" ridiculous flame wars back and forth. Expressing an opinion about an organized body on the whole is far from it.

The line is eerily thin in this conversation. You should know this.

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Posted on 10-08-07 09:39:21 PM; last edit by Biospark on 10-08-07 09:40 PM

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Religion topics have always been very touchy, and this is no exception.

Kles, I am getting tired of this kind of behavior. You like to tiptoe on lines. Calling something outright rediculous is about as close to shitslinging as you can get in these kind of threads.

I would prefer if you would quit responding in this kind of manner. That is, if what you are going to say is nothing but negative, shut up.

-- mgmt

I'd just like to inform you that several people have mentioned this to me, so obviously your "oh, it's nothing" opinion is not the mass opinion here. Oh, and most of these have nothing to do with the thread.

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Posted on 10-09-07 01:02:07 AM

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Originally posted by TheGreatGuy
When looking at the universe at large, I run into a problem with the Big Bang theory, as it presents the problem of "Where did all that matter come from?" Which I answer with God, but of course, that leads to "Where did God come from?" So I'm not exactly set there.

Aquinas' first cause argument can't be used to prove the existence of a god (or anything else.) If something can be its' own cause, it might as well be anything than what we call "god". If nothing can be its own first cause, then you run into a paradox. Reason cannot, as of yet, be used to prove the existence of god. (Though honestly, Catholicism has used this argument to prove existence of their god.)

Finally, the consensus after a discussion on fate, there is both fate and free will. This works, because if you think about it, everything is caused by something else, an infinite chain of reactions. You can make decisions, but the way you act is predetermined by a number of factors, including your upbringing, where you were born, your personality, etc. In the exact same situation(I mean the exact same, nothing being different at all), you'd make the same choice every time, correct? I don't think I explained this entirely properly, but I think I got the idea across.

This is determinism that you're speaking of. Quite an interesting set of theses, indeed; I'm a believer, myself.

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Posted on 10-09-07 01:04:02 AM; last edit by Biospark on 10-09-07 01:09 AM

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	[pointless quote nuked] Wow... and one post above you too... Honestly. Don't comment, just post your belief. if you have a problem just go to a PM. ____________________ Why Sonic, Kattwah, and I should never skype: "The last white man is in captivity. The galaxy is at peace."

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Posted on 10-09-07 01:06:35 AM

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What the hell are you talking about

Did you not read or are you just that ignorant?

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Posted on 10-09-07 01:08:15 AM

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I would like to state I find nothing wrong with Dr Death's reply, as it attempts to discuss things in detail and non-biased, rather than outright calling something bullshit.

In short, shut up, Tanks.

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Posted on 10-09-07 05:12:04 AM

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	Ugh. First, I didn't mean to insinuate that all organized religion is ridiculous. I just wanted to point out that it has a tendancy to be formulaic and ridiculous. I apologize if I was particularly offensive to anyone, and that what was going through my head didn't quite translate to the page very well. Second off, I'm not about to censor people from simply discussing their beliefs. I think you guys are mature enough to hear about conflicting religious beliefs without flying off the handle and acting like babies about it. ____________________ ( ﾟ³ﾟ)三№♥

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Holy God (no pun intended), this topic went to heck really quick. Isn't it easy enough to respect other people's beliefs and move on, assuming their beliefs aren't harming anyone? ____________________
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