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Posted on 01-29-11 01:24:56 AM Link | Quote
Beast Talk =

On a different note, kudos on crackin' into there.

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Posted on 01-29-11 11:07:50 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Flying Omelette
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One rule of thumb to remember: Common sense isn't.

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Posted on 01-30-11 12:44:05 AM Link | Quote
I've got some other stuff to take care of this weekend so I posted my notes thus far for Dark Wizard. It's mostly shorthand but a savestate is included for download that's seen Armer and Marie's spell lists hacked to include the glitchy spells I've been testing.
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Posted on 01-30-11 12:52:56 AM (last edited by Imajin at 01-29-11 09:55 PM) Link | Quote


I don't remember an M SYSTEM or ZILLION in Phantasy Star... they don't seem to do anything, though.

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Posted on 01-30-11 01:24:48 AM (last edited by Flying Omelette at 01-29-11 10:25 PM) Link | Quote
Zillion seems to be a reference to another Master System game by that name...

And "M System" is probably a reference to the Master System itself.

Ie, sounds like they're both in-jokes.

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Posted on 01-30-11 01:27:46 AM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Flying Omelette
Zillion seems to be a reference to another Master System game by that name...

And "M System" is probably a reference to the Master System itself.

Ie, sounds like they're both in-jokes.

Of course, this game also has a character who says "DO YOU LIKE SEGA GAMES?", so maybe this is a cut subquest to get her some?

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Posted on 01-30-11 01:49:27 AM (last edited by Rick at 01-29-11 10:49 PM) Link | Quote
I also remember from XCult that guy who runs it posted something about finding some actual text for Chameleon in the Genesis version of the game.

What I think would be interesting is to dig around in the game a lot more to see if there's things that are half-implemented, left in there, or whatever. I'm curious because the SNES/Genesis versions were rushed. I mean, if forgetting to fully dummy out a removed character isn't rushed, I dunno what is.

So yeah, any takers mayhaps?

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Posted on 01-30-11 11:22:24 PM Link | Quote


Some weird stuff mixed in with the Faxanadu items: An orb, a lantern, some kind of crystal, and a book. I don't recall seeing these things anywhere in the game...
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Posted on 01-31-11 01:56:28 AM Link | Quote
Sega games of that era seemed to have a thing about referencing other Sega games. Well, at least the English versions did. In Phantasy Star 4 the book shelves in the Krup school house have references to Golden Axe, Sonic the Hedgehog, and Ecco the Dolphin. In Shining Force 2 one of the options that can be randomly chosen for a character hit by Muddle 2 is "{NAME} is playing Game Gear. Shining Force GG is a great game!"
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Posted on 01-31-11 01:58:32 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by YK


Some weird stuff mixed in with the Faxanadu items: An orb, a lantern, some kind of crystal, and a book. I don't recall seeing these things anywhere in the game...


The crystal looks like Troy from Out of This World.




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Posted on 01-31-11 03:03:31 AM Link | Quote
Only one of those sprites that looks remotely similar to something in the game is the Orb; might have become the Black Onyx in the final version.

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Posted on 01-31-11 03:35:21 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Colin
Only one of those sprites that looks remotely similar to something in the game is the Orb; might have become the Black Onyx in the final version.


Yeah, it's possible. I saw the Black Onyx there as well, though, so...
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Posted on 01-31-11 11:16:30 AM Link | Quote
Serpent Isle has a ton of dev commentary and leaked production material that provides context for unused things, so much that it would flood the page to add it! I think a namespace would be useful.

GlitterBerri- Sent you a PM about the Zelda stuff.
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Posted on 02-04-11 01:30:27 AM (last edited by Abaxa at 02-03-11 10:31 PM) Link | Quote
I worked some more on Dark Wizard. The game actually has a goat character for battle scenes that it doesn't use.



It has no attack animation so eventually attacking or casting a spell will crash the game. The defensive animation is complete and works just fine. The sprites pulled are determined by class so there's no way this could have worked with the way the game is currently programmed. The goat class has a fully functioning walk cycle (also unused because polymorphed characters stop moving and even going frame by frame when the computer moves them their sprites didn't appear to change) and cannot gain levels because the experience required per level is 0.

I did decipher a character table for one set of text. It doesn't help much except in viewing character names and decompressed town talk* but its... uh, something? The notes entry linked above has been updated to include all this stuff.

I also horsed around with PAR codes in PS4. I got a warp code partially functioning based on information from the debug menu. I say partially because the game may set Y scroll to 0 or warp into a wall or warp point from which there is no escape. It's FFEC29:##. For example FFEC29:10 warps to Piata and FFEC29:02 warps to the Rykros overworld. You must initiate a screen transition (like walking out of a town) to trigger the warp.
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An oddity in Zelda OoT I just noticed, wondering if it's something for the Wiki... Near the end of the escape from Ganon's Castle as it collapses, in the second to last room - a modified version of the initial barrier room, where you had to clear the mini-temples - you cross a short bridge with a lone Redead on it. Off in the distance you can see some of the mini-temple doors... only that there aren't any actual doors:



Now, if you let Zelda open the gate to the next room, and from there - using the MQ Debug ROM's free movement mode - navigate through the walls, outside of the room, making sure you don't accidentally make the game reload the last one... you'll be able to find the missing doors, just floating in the void!



The thing is, the designers apparently messed up. Those doors aren't real doors in the interactive sense, like most other doors in the game, but simply static, decorative elements that are part of the room's geometry. However, those decorative doors were accidentally put into the second room, where they cannot be seen since they're just floating outside, instead of the first room, where they would've perfectly filled the empty doorframes.

Comparison screenshots, same camera position:





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Posted on 02-05-11 03:53:49 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Abaxa
I worked some more on Dark Wizard. The game actually has a goat character for battle scenes that it doesn't use.


Man, what is it with games and unused goats lately?

Little Ninja Brothers has a crapload more regional differences than what I've posted to the wiki, which I could tell by looking at both ROMs in YY-CHR, but I'd have to simultaneously play through both games to catch and document all of them. I'll put it on my "to-do" list, but I don't have the time to dedicate to that right now. I just grabbed what was easy to grab from the beginning to get things started.

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Posted on 02-05-11 07:35:17 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by xdaniel
An oddity in Zelda OoT I just noticed, wondering if it's something for the Wiki...

Hell yeah it is. I love random bits of trivia like this.

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Posted on 02-05-11 07:44:35 PM Link | Quote

I'll toss in a (more recent) memory of my own, where in Mega Man X, I managed to bump the SNES at some point just before the Vile battle in Sigma Fortress A, which ended up blanking the screen save for a set of GFX that was pasted in the center of the screen all in an even palette (X's, to be precise). Dunno if it was just random debug function or some actual sort of viewer, but the game hung after that, just displaying the raw graphics tilemap.

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Posted on 02-05-11 07:49:06 PM Link | Quote
I vaguely remember a Zelda I save file in which the arrows could be shot without having the bow, but they looked different, more like spears. I'm not even sure anymore if it was a dream or me misremembering.

It could have been some Game Genie thing, as I tended to experiment with different codes and apparently using different GG codes can make the save files weird.

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line 261 column 546 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 318 column 163 - Warning: <table> attribute "cellpadding" has invalid value "2px"
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line 323 column 732 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 323 column 853 - Warning: <td> attribute "height" has invalid value "128px"
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line 555 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 555 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 555 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 555 column 316 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 750 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 750 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 759 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 764 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 318 column 273 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 459 column 1572 - Warning: trimming empty <center>
line 744 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 205 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 232 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 258 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 260 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 260 column 146 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 260 column 163 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "bordercolor"
line 260 column 244 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 261 column 669 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 261 column 669 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 285 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 316 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 318 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 318 column 146 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 318 column 163 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "bordercolor"
line 318 column 244 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 323 column 853 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "border"
line 323 column 853 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 347 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 377 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 405 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 431 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 457 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 459 column 1139 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 459 column 1258 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 459 column 1626 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 482 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 510 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 538 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 572 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 623 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 654 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 681 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 708 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 736 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 738 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 408 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md