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Posted on 01-27-11 09:50:02 PM Link | Quote
Stupid HTML tags are, sadly, very numerous.

like <address>


or <q>

...or <dfn>... who actually uses any of these?

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Posted on 01-27-11 09:54:55 PM Link | Quote
<iframe>

That is all

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Posted on 01-27-11 10:10:13 PM Link | Quote
$ egrep -o "<[^! <>/]+" temp.html | sort | uniq | wc -l

29

This thread currently uses 29 of the tags, perhaps 30 now with the addition of this post.

That's probably all we need, right?

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Posted on 01-27-11 11:35:22 PM Link | Quote
All this newfangled HTML code confuses me. No, seriously.

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Posted on 01-28-11 12:08:13 AM (last edited by Imajin at 01-27-11 09:08 PM) Link | Quote

<div> is pretty stupid, if only because it refuses to work consistently...

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Posted on 01-28-11 01:59:54 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Prince Kassad
Stupid HTML tags are, sadly, very numerous.

like <address>


or <q>

...or <dfn>... who actually uses any of these?



I never even heard of any of them.

q seems like it may have some use, though...

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Posted on 01-28-11 02:12:11 AM Link | Quote
I remember a very old HTML book advocating the use of <strong> and <em>, respectively, in place of <b> and <i>. Has anyone ever used or even heard of those tags?

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Posted on 01-28-11 02:13:44 AM Link | Quote
Uh, yeah, I've seen those. <b> and <i> are still discouraged in HTML 5, I think.

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Yes, they were made when CSS was new and some people also emphasized using backslashes in all tags, even ones like br.

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Posted on 01-28-11 02:22:33 AM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Rambly
Uh, yeah, I've seen those. <b> and <i> are still discouraged in HTML 5, I think.

I saw an article somewhere that in lieu of deprecation, <b> and <i> are being given semantic meanings that will in theory displace the display meaning. I'll see if I can find it again...

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Posted on 01-28-11 05:32:37 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Orlandu
<iframe>

That is all


This right here. More harm than good, sadly... a LOT of harm.

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Posted on 01-28-11 06:26:34 AM (last edited by Peardian at 01-28-11 03:27 AM) Link | Quote
Take a web design class and you'll begin to appreciate seemingly useless tags like address. It's called semantic markup. You're labeling the text to give it meaning.


With HTML5 coming up, they're trying to separate the style and markup of the content, making tags like bold obsolete. They're also going to be adding more semantic tags to make website code easier to read by both humans and programs, such as the <header> and <footer> tags, to define the header and footer of a page layout.

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Posted on 01-28-11 06:30:09 AM Link | Quote
At the end of my web design course, my teacher made a note of how the "way of the future" was to make ugly shit like

<br />

a standard. Why do we have to break a system that's been working faithfully for god knows how long just cause some guy in a suit thinks backslashes are better in everything? >_________>

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Posted on 01-28-11 06:34:58 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Katelynn
At the end of my web design course, my teacher made a note of how the "way of the future" was to make ugly shit like

<br />

a standard. Why do we have to break a system that's been working faithfully for god knows how long just cause some guy in a suit thinks backslashes are better in everything? >_________>

That's just XML's influence in XHTML. They're getting rid of that rule in HTML5.

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Originally posted by Peardian
With HTML5 coming up, they're trying to separate the style and markup of the content, making tags like bold obsolete.


Wait, they were already doing this in 4.0 and failed. What's new this time--a gun to kill programmers who don't follow the rules?

(...Yes, I am serious. Browsers keep supporting those tags. I'm actually for a properly organized HTML--but how are they to stop people from continuing to use them?)

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Posted on 01-28-11 08:48:42 AM (last edited by DotUser at 01-28-11 09:01 PM) Link | Quote
I really don't see HTML5 as an advancement.. Just seems like a lot of lazy changes. Minus the canvas thing, though I'd never use that anyway.

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Posted on 01-28-11 11:27:18 AM Link | Quote
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I dunno, I don't see the ideas of context and style being separate a bad thing. Just use <strong> when you need bolding and <em> when you need italicizing, or switch them around or do whatever with them if the document needs it. Makes it come out very nicely if the style is missing, and makes it easy for bots to parse or even helps screen readers for the blind.

Some of the rules are kinda silly though like the <br /> thing.

Also <p> is pretty useful. I use it plenty in actual web designing... for paragraphs. It helps space text out a bit.

As for stupid tags: <blink> <marquee>

Also <div> isn't too inconsistent across most browsers if you ignore IE6. Only inconsistency is with display:inline-block; where you have to make it a span for it to work right in IE7, but I haven't run in to too many problems across browsers outside of IE6 even with especially crazy layouts.

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Posted on 01-28-11 01:25:07 PM Link | Quote
(b)(/b)  vs  (strong)(/strong)


it's too long for me  




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Posted on 01-28-11 01:40:09 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by krutomisi
it's too long for me  


Ditto. Maybe it's just because I started programming with C64 BASIC, which is generally written totally lacking spaces outside of strings to speed up execution, but I'm not a fan of this trend in programming toward verbosity. Is Java's equalsIgnoreCase really better than C's stricmp? Once you know what "str", "i", and "cmp" mean, it's just as easy to understand, only stricmp is way easier to type. And don't even get me started on StringIndexOutOfBoundsException.

Originally posted by paulguy
As for stupid tags: <blink>


I've heard that <blink> was originally a joke tag suggestion of the type "this tag is really dumb, so don't include it". Then, someone else thought it was a good idea and actually implemented it And somehow it still exists to this day in some browsers.

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Posted on 01-28-11 01:52:45 PM Link | Quote
Oi, don't be knocking
Like my sig, for example. See those red and white letters that spell out my name? I had blinking text that alternated the red and white set to hover over the normal text, it produced a neat effect. Of course, when I brought the layout code over to jul the positioning didn't work on all of the board skins at the same time, so I abandoned it.

Speaking of which, time to edit my sig... two years of promise and no results does not bode well.

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