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Taryn Passed away. Thanks for being a part of us, even if it wasn't always on the best of terms. 1987-2014 Level: 204      Posts: 11116/14742 EXP: 121753012 For next: 1596806 Since: 09-01-09 From: Seattle Since last post: 10.1 years Last activity: 9.8 years
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FieryIce Luigi Level: 119  Posts: 1807/4161 EXP: 18759298 For next: 169993 Since: 12-18-08 From: Chicago Since last post: 189 days Last activity: 3 days
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Ah, yes, I screwed up on the numbers, I meant the one-to-last palace of Zelda II, so that should be it, Terra. 
I haven't played the game in a very long time ...  The last time I played it was on my Gamecube's Collector Edition which I no longer own. |
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Originally posted by TerraOriginally posted by YK That sort of thing was common in the NES era, and from all I've heard, the reason was due to game rentals. In Japan, game rentals are illegal, but they were/are (are they still? I haven't rented one in years) commonplace in the US (at least; maybe other countries, I dunno). As a result, well, Japanese gamers had to buy the game if they wanted to play it, but as they could be rented for cheap in the west, developers decided, to encourage sales, to ramp up the difficulty (often to ridiculous levels), and ensure the game couldn't be beaten in a single weekend. Not sure if that's the actual reason, but it's what I've heard, anyhow. Incidentally, another thing about Zelda 2 that annoys me: The "full-life throwing sword". In Zelda 1, it's as strong as your normal attack, so it's in your best interest to keep your life at full as often as possible. In Zelda 2, it seems like anything stronger than a Moblin is entirely unaffected by it. I mean, couldn't they have just made it weaker or something, rather than entirely ineffective on stronger enemies?  |
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I thought it was the other way around, games being easier in the US compared to the Japanese version, megeman 2 is one example and I'm pretty sure I read that FF was made easier. :< ____________________ |
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| I also thought it was the other way around, wasn't that the reason they made Super Mario Bros 2 out of doki doki panic, because the Japanese SMB2 was too difficult? Maybe I'm misinformed. |
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| It's kind of schizophrenic, honesty. Some games were made harder for the US release, while other games were made easier. Little rhyme nor reason why, but suffice to say, Zelda 2 is *far* from unique in that it was more difficult in the west. |
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| Castlevania 1, 3, and Bayou Billy are all much harder than the Japanese versions.
The Magic of Scheherazade seemed easier than Arabian Dream Scheherazade. I never got far in the latter, but the first random battle I got into seemed completely unwinnable. You'd probably have to level grind with the minor overworld enemies for quite a while before you'd even stand a chance. I never had that problem in TMoS. |
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Originally posted by TerraDoesn't the Japanese version round all of your levels to the lowest one when you run out of lives? As in, if you have attack 5, defense 5, life 2, if you restart, it'd be attack 2, defense 2, life 2?Originally posted by YK If so, it probably balances out, give or take. Originally posted by FieryIceThat seems to be a common theory. I personally suspect that it may be more because SMB2j is basically just a harder version of SMB1, but I'm not sure if anyone actually involved in the process said one way or the other. |
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Originally posted by Viola Ahahahaha no. I'm not actually a "challenge gamer"; I don't do things to artificially make games more difficult... heck, as I said on IRC last night, "But I've actually never in my life played through a game, finished it, and said, "gee, this was a good game, but you know what would make it better? If it was FIENDISHLY FUCKING HARD!"." So... yeah. I just want to *beat* Zelda 2, not beat it in an incredibly obtuse way that would serve no purpose except to (fail to) impress some people on the internet.  |
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Originally posted by YK Funny... I never really felt this about any game at all until a few weeks ago with the new golden sun. :< Anyhow, I never really figure out how to change what upgrade you select when you level up in zelda 2, I have tried the game several times I but I keep dying at level two (which I assume is the temple in the marshland.) I generally dislike a lot of the combat in zelda 2 which is why I don't enjoy it very much. (Which is kinda funny seeing I love all the side view perspectives in the GB(C) games. :< ____________________ |
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Originally posted by Colin Dude, Picsies! I'm glad that site agreed the American version was better, so I know it wasn't just me. Although, I'd still like to finish the Japanese version eventually. Though there's no doubt in my mind that the American version's graphics and music are better, for all I know, maybe I'd like the Japanese version if I could learn to make some kind of progress in it. ____________________   
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Fun fact: The Magic of Scheherazade was the first game I ever played that had menu-driven battles and I had no idea what the heck was going on when I first got into one.
Originally posted by YK That's how I feel about that sort of thing, too. I like games to be challenging, but I'm not the type of person who will attempt to make them more challenging artificially. ____________________
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| I think making games more challenging artificially can be fun sometimes - I've tried to beat that "über challenge" in OOT (though, I can't get past the cucco jump) and I've beaten MM without time travel / without picking heart pieces. |
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Originally posted by Flying Omelette Hum. I never played that game before, actually... I should try it sometime; I hear it's quite good. Originally posted by Flying Omelette Yeah, I like games that're somewhat difficult, but the difficulty has to be *real*, and not a result of poor controls, poor design, etc. If an enemy is leaving me a three second opening to attack it once every five minutes, or I'm tasked with trying to make a pixel-perfect jump through a tiny hole... yeah, that's not much fun. One game I felt had a fair challenge level was Resident Evil 4. I didn't find it insanely, hellishly tough, and I'd imagine much of the internet finds it *easy*. Nevertheless, the enemies are strong enough to kill you in only about 1-4 hits, and they rarely attack alone, but every enemy has some sort of weakness you can exploit, and you have a number of weapons and other tricks at your disposal, so it never feels oppressive. Originally posted by FieryIce For me, the kind of self-challenge I like is of the "Do everything, get everything, and do so as early as possible" variety. For instance, one of my favorite challenges is to play a "Perfect Game" on Vandal Hearts: Kill every enemy, find every item, and not let a single character die, including NPCs or the insane villagers in the first battle of chapter 2. This is easier said than done, in general, and requires some careful strategy. Trying to find viable ways to beat enemies that should be way out of my league at any given point in a game is also one of my favorites. But I almost never do challenges that limit how I play the game... I'm a near-OCD perfectionist, and to do such a thing goes against my nature. Heck, I rarely even play Hard Modes in games unless there's some sort of tangible unlockable bonus for doing so... |
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