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Posted on 01-04-11 12:28:15 PM Link | Quote
Now this is fun...



The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not protect against discrimination on the basis of gender or sexual orientation, according to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

In a newly published interview in the legal magazine California Lawyer, Scalia said that while the Constitution does not disallow the passage of legislation outlawing such discrimination, it doesn't itself outlaw that behavior:


In 1868, when the 39th Congress was debating and ultimately proposing the 14th Amendment, I don't think anybody would have thought that equal protection applied to sex discrimination, or certainly not to sexual orientation. So does that mean that we've gone off in error by applying the 14th Amendment to both?

Scalia: Yes, yes. Sorry, to tell you that. ... But, you know, if indeed the current society has come to different views, that's fine. You do not need the Constitution to reflect the wishes of the current society. Certainly the Constitution does not require discrimination on the basis of sex. The only issue is whether it prohibits it. It doesn't. Nobody ever thought that that's what it meant. Nobody ever voted for that. If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex, hey we have things called legislatures, and they enact things called laws. You don't need a constitution to keep things up-to-date. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box. You don't like the death penalty anymore, that's fine. You want a right to abortion? There's nothing in the Constitution about that. But that doesn't mean you cannot prohibit it. Persuade your fellow citizens it's a good idea and pass a law. That's what democracy is all about. It's not about nine superannuated judges who have been there too long, imposing these demands on society.


For the record, the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause states: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." That would seem to include protection against exactly the kind of discrimination to which Scalia referred.

Marcia Greenberger, founder and co-president of the National Women's Law Center, called the justice's comments "shocking" and said he was essentially saying that if the government sanctions discrimination against women, the judiciary offers no recourse.

"In these comments, Justice Scalia says if Congress wants to protect laws that prohibit sex discrimination, that's up to them," she said. "But what if they want to pass laws that discriminate? Then he says that there's nothing the court will do to protect women from government-sanctioned discrimination against them. And that's a pretty shocking position to take in 2011. It's especially shocking in light of the decades of precedents and the numbers of justices who have agreed that there is protection in the 14th Amendment against sex discrimination, and struck down many, many laws in many, many areas on the basis of that protection."

Greenberger added that under Scalia's doctrine, women could be legally barred from juries, paid less by the government, receive fewer benefits in the armed forces, and be excluded from state-run schools -- all things that have happened in the past, before their rights to equal protection were enforced.

"In 1971, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that they were protected, in an opinion by the conservative then Chief Justice Warren Burger," Adam Cohen wrote in Time in September. "It is no small thing to talk about writing women out of equal protection -- or Jews, or Latinos or other groups who would lose their protection by the same logic. It is nice to think that legislatures would protect these minorities from oppression by the majority, but we have a very different country when the Constitution guarantees that it is so."

In 1996, Scalia cast the sole vote in favor of allowing the Virginia Military Institute to continue denying women admission.


(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/scalia-women-discrimination-constitution_n_803813.html)

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Posted on 01-04-11 01:47:18 PM Link | Quote
WTF?

Originally posted by the United States Constitution
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


OK, let's review this two-word phrase that appears twice.

Originally posted by the United States Constitution
any person


Women are clearly people. Thus, women are protected under the 14th Amendment and have the rights of life, liberty, property, and equal protection of the laws. The same is true of homosexual people, bisexual people, heterosexual people, transgendered people, non-transgendered people, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Whites, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, people with green hair, people who eat salami sandwiches on Wednesdays, and whoever else the morons decide to hate. It sure seems like discrimination by the US government is illegal to me.

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Posted on 01-04-11 01:51:08 PM Link | Quote

Yay for Constitutional "Originalism"- it doesn't matter what the text of the amendment says, what matters is what I get when I try to perform a seance and summon the souls of 19th-century politicians to explain the meaning.

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Posted on 01-04-11 06:04:32 PM Link | Quote


Seriously, I don't.

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Posted on 01-04-11 08:23:51 PM Link | Quote
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Posted on 01-05-11 01:03:14 AM Link | Quote
Eh. I've known for a while the guy needs to go fuck a few landmines anyway.

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The current court is filled with a number of annoying numbskulls. I am not surprised, as several seem to think principles that they made up are suddenly part of the constitution.

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