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Posted on 01-02-11 11:18:46 PM Link | Quote
G.O.P. Vows to Cut Spending and Roll Back Health Care Bill


Congressional Republicans vowed Sunday to use their new majority in the House and their stronger position in the Senate to roll back the Obama administration’s health care overhaul and press for sharp, rapid cuts in spending.

“As part of our pledge, we said that we would bring up a vote to repeal health care early,” Representative Fred Upton of Michigan, the incoming chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said on “Fox News Sunday.” He added, “That will happen before the president’s State of the Union address,” expected in late January.

A flat-out repeal of the health care law would face a steep hurdle in the Senate, where Democrats will cling to a slim majority, but Mr. Upton said that House action would not be merely symbolic.

“If we pass this bill with a sizable vote, and I think that we will, it will put enormous pressure on the Senate to do perhaps the same thing,” he said. “But then, after that, we’re going to go after this bill piece by piece.”

Mr. Upton also said the House could use the Congressional Review Act to roll back the Environmental Protection Agency’s sweeping regulations of climate-altering gases from factories and power plants. The first phase of the regulations began Sunday. Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the fight over health care would most likely be waged in Congress by cutting financing for implementation, and in state capitals by fighting the law’s new requirements.

“I think you’re going to see the fight on Obamacare across the board in the House and the Senate to try to de-fund the Obamacare bill and to start over,” Mr. Graham said, adding that he was working with Senator John Barrasso, a Wyoming Republican, on legislation to allow states to opt out of the requirement that individuals obtain health insurance and of the expansion of Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor.

Going into the spring, Congress will face two major spending-related fights: a vote to extend a continuing resolution to finance the operations of the government, and a vote to raise the ceiling on the public debt. Tea Party activists have vowed to use the votes to make a point about the need for fiscal discipline.

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Well, that's nice ... I'm not looking forward to US politics this year
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Posted on 01-02-11 11:21:35 PM Link | Quote

And of course it can only get worse in the future, with the census results and recent state legislature results being what they are...

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Posted on 01-02-11 11:24:22 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Imajin
And of course it can only get worse in the future, with the census results and recent state legislature results being what they are...


Yes, the census was definitely very disappointing. I'm optimistic about various nearby states (Maryland and New York for example) but PA could only get worse IMO ...
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Posted on 01-02-11 11:26:04 PM Link | Quote
I must admit, I don't understand what Americans have against health care.
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Posted on 01-02-11 11:29:47 PM (last edited by FieryIce at 01-02-11 08:30 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xenesis
I must admit, I don't understand what Americans have against health care.


It's an individualistic culture that dictates that "if you can't afford it, you don't deserve it."

Some of the crazier bunch want to eliminate the Department of Education. (and, thus, public schools) :specialed:
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Posted on 01-02-11 11:30:32 PM Link | Quote
I don't either, Xenesis. And I'm in America.

Why must these right-wing extremists use every dirty trick and tactic to hijack the entire country?

Sheesh, if you want to cut spending, try lowering the defence budget and getting rid of Dubya's tax cuts for the rich. The rich don't need tax cuts. They're already rich. They'll still be rich with higher taxes.


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Posted on 01-02-11 11:40:00 PM Link | Quote
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It's the same loonies who come up every era. The test for America becomes ignoring them.

Unfortunately, America is not very good at tests, so I expect legislation that will pretty much go "All poor people go to straight to die, do not use hospital"

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Posted on 01-03-11 03:10:08 AM Link | Quote
Well, that's a genius move, isn't it? What's wrong with good healthcare?

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Posted on 01-03-11 03:25:51 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Zero One
Well, that's a genius move, isn't it? What's wrong with good healthcare?


Apparently, it's not in the population's best interest to be taxed several hundred to thousand dollars more in order to give equal healthcare for all citizens, most likely longer life expectancies, etc.

Asshats.

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Posted on 01-03-11 05:55:44 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Zero One
Well, that's a genius move, isn't it? What's wrong with good healthcare?

Because the bill in question did not provide any solid methods to promote good affordable healthcare. All it did was force insurance companies to lower rates by meeting a certain "cost to value" ratio. The problem is not with the insurance companies but with the extremely high hospital and pharmaceutical costs that insurance have to pay for. One visit to an American ER can cost up to $5,000 depending on the treatment. Luckily, many insurance companies have a pre-set contract rate they pay regardless of the billed charges but not every company does. And sometimes whatever insurance doesn't cover goes to the insured to cover.

Instead of the BS and insurance company regulations that was in this bill, they need to form a bill that limits hospital charges, doctor salaries, pharmaceutical drug costs and 7 year restrictions on generics, etc. That will reduce health insurance costs across the board and thus reduce the premium rates.

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Posted on 01-03-11 06:15:57 AM Link | Quote
Apparently "pulling the plug on granny" and "pre-emptively pulling the plug on poor people" don't register as similar things to the GOP.

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Posted on 01-03-11 02:01:23 PM Link | Quote
The main concern is that "Obamacare" will end up reducing the quality of health services, and in the long run, reduce the amount of competent medical personnel available; with less money going into the hospitals over time, eventual salary cuts for the staff are pretty much a guarantee. The fear is that with fewer healthcare professionals and a possible drop in the quality of training, there will be more lawsuits against doctors and hospitals, higher costs to maintain/replace equipment and buildings, and eventually a general desire by the injured to forgo visiting any medical center at all, gradually draining funds, until we end up with basically a bunch of crappy, nigh-useless public places and an "elite" group of privately-run institutions remaining that no one will be able to afford anyway.

In addition there have been a ton of unrelated stipulations in the bill that don't need to be there. Certain states are completely exempt, for example. Earmarks for unrelated causes, as you might find in almost any legislation these days. It needs cleaned up. There are good things about it and certainly good intentions behind it, but it still probably needs reworked.

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Posted on 01-03-11 04:55:26 PM Link | Quote

The main issue I have with the Republicans' approach is not necessarily "The 2010 health care law is perfect and holy and how dare they touch it", but that their approach seems to be to repeal it without a real replacement plan in place, essentially just returning to the status quo.

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Posted on 01-03-11 04:58:44 PM Link | Quote
Seems to me that's what a lot of them want, for only rich people to be able to be healthy

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Yeah, there's problems with the health care bill, but the Republicans plan to take advantage of people who have problems with it to get it repealed if possible, then put nothing in its place, and then shrug as poor people die from pre-existing conditions.

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Posted on 01-03-11 06:32:03 PM Link | Quote
Well, if it's just a complete repeal they're after, I don't think this would survive the Senate (only 41 senators need to be against it just to filibuster so ) and even if it passes the senate, I don't think Obama would actually sign it...
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Posted on 01-03-11 11:12:53 PM (last edited by Alakadoof at 01-03-11 08:13 PM) Link | Quote
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It's not even really about curing as much as prolonging with poor, expensive treatments. The whole thing is fucked, it's all fucked, and it's getting very bad very fast, where everyone who isn't an executive in a huge company gets their rights stripped and drained of their wealth so nobody will have money except big companies, and everyone else will just be expendable labor, because it's all they'll be able to do to survive.

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