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Posted on 12-20-10 09:10:08 AM

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The same thing have also been on the spin in Sweden with the whole ACTA agreement, which they are trying to make pass without even waiting for EU to get done with looking into if it's really a good idea. (Which anyone with a brain should already know it's not.)

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Cripe, if this shit goes through anywhere, I feel like we're all kind of screwed because any money monger with even the slightest hint of a brain will think this is a good idea, and then we either get fucked out of our internet OR get some new "unlimited" package thrown at us which is far, far more expensive than what we've had to pay for previously.

Oh God, don't pass this, don't pass this, don't pass this...

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Posted on 12-20-10 01:38:34 PM

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I'm too lazy to listen to audio, but it seems like this is just a marketing presentation from Allot and Openet (now there's a poorly-named company), and not necessarily something the wireless companies are actually planning on implementing... companies propose a lot of things, I wouldn't be sounding the alarm bells just yet...

I really have to wonder how they plan to determine what exactly people are using in a method that can't be subverted... I can't imagine people wouldn't figure out a way to subvert their system, no matter how perfect they claim it is...

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Posted on 12-20-10 01:41:18 PM

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Argh

I'm getting rather pissed off at how parts of the US government as of late are putting the rights of rich corporations above everything else.

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Posted on 12-20-10 01:47:39 PM

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I don't know, it looks like England is headed for about as bad if not worse.

Still, scary stuff. Even for me as an Australian and our own brand of crackpot internet politics.

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Posted on 12-20-10 03:01:34 PM

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I'm thinking that if ANYTHING like this is implemented in the U.S. that there should be a national boycott of the Internet.

(I have my extreme doubts it would work, but people have gotten by without the Internet for thousands of years. It'll be more like the unfortunate use of strike breakers back in the early 20th century if anything. They'll just find a way to work around out self-imposed ban)

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Tell that to the 500 million people on Facebook. This means like...millions of people are addicted to Facebook and wouldn't be helping with the boycott much.

Then again, I'm just cynical.

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Posted on 12-21-10 11:15:19 PM (last edited by FieryIce at 12-21-10 08:16 PM)

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Didn't the FCC already passed the net neutrality thing that prevents ISPs from treating bandwidth differently (or charging for services) ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/21/business/media/21fcc.html

The proposed rules of the online road would prevent fixed-line broadband providers like Comcast and Qwest from blocking access to sites and applications. The rules, however, would allow wireless companies more latitude in putting limits on access to services and applications.

Ah, yes, the bold text scares me (I'm a Sprint user

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Originally posted by Gabu
I'm thinking that if ANYTHING like this is implemented in the U.S. that there should be a national boycott of the Internet.

Maybe we should focus on solutions that have even the slightest microscopic chance of ever actually happening.

It's a war on the free Internet. We attack by petitioning and protesting and we defend by moving to where they can't touch us. Decentralization. They can't stop what they can't control. The problem is for a long time people thought they couldn't control the Internet, and they were wrong - but they can't enforce different rules based on where your information is coming or going if they can't tell where that is.

I keep saying this for a reason: Encrypt. Everything.

Oh yeah, and the FCC appears to be going along with this. We don't have much time.

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Posted on 12-21-10 11:38:27 PM

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Originally posted by FieryIce
Didn't the FCC already passed the net neutrality thing that prevents ISPs from treating bandwidth differently (or charging for services) ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/21/business/media/21fcc.html

The proposed rules of the online road would prevent fixed-line broadband providers like Comcast and Qwest from blocking access to sites and applications. The rules, however, would allow wireless companies more latitude in putting limits on access to services and applications.

Ah, yes, the bold text scares me (I'm a Sprint user )

That article doesn't work for me, since I don't have a NYT account...

But yeah, I've heard there are some rules that have been put into place, but they don't apply to wireless... plus my understanding is that they're pretty weak guidelines in general. I don't know, I can kind of see an argument that some restrictions on certain processes on wireless might make sense because of limited bandwidth, but on the other hand the wireless companies being what they are just exempting them from everything and hoping they just do the right thing doesn't seem to be the in the public interest either...

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Posted on 12-21-10 11:43:32 PM

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Originally posted by Rena
Originally posted by Gabu
I'm thinking that if ANYTHING like this is implemented in the U.S. that there should be a national boycott of the Internet.
Maybe we should focus on solutions that have even the slightest microscopic chance of ever actually happening.

It's a war on the free Internet. We attack by petitioning and protesting and we defend by moving to where they can't touch us. Decentralization. They can't stop what they can't control. The problem is for a long time people thought they couldn't control the Internet, and they were wrong - but they can't enforce different rules based on where your information is coming or going if they can't tell where that is.

I keep saying this for a reason: Encrypt. Everything.

Oh yeah, and the FCC appears to be going along with this. We don't have much time.

Yeah, try saying that when there's a very specific list of places you can connect to with any "unknown" connections costing you far greater than anything else. (See also: Long distance calling. Seriously, what the hell? VoIP to any computer on the internet with a decent connection is free, but calling a phone is $rape/hour?)

As for the rest of the stuff, well... who knows. Things will only get better starting next year!

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All I figure is the cost of things going up and some things being squelched. To be honest, it's not like any of us have any voice in it--anyone we vote for will be in favor of corporation-friendly stuff anyway.

The system's a sham.

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Posted on 12-24-10 02:39:02 AM

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Yeah, try saying that when there's a very specific list of places you can connect to with any "unknown" connections costing you far greater than anything else. (See also: Long distance calling. Seriously, what the hell? VoIP to any computer on the internet with a decent connection is free, but calling a phone is $rape/hour?)

Unfortunately true. Ultimately the best we can do is tell them to fuck off and take our business to anyone we can find who doesn't employ such nonsense. Still, until they make that leap, may as well be on the safe side and not let them see what you're doing (and maybe "accidentally" throttle access to that one video streaming site owned by their competitors).

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In the end, it'll be up to proxies and next-gen proxy stuff to thwart attempts to figure out what content people are accessing, at this rate.

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Originally posted by Metal_Man88In the end, it'll be up to proxies and next-gen proxy stuff to thwart attempts to figure out what content people are accessing, at this rate.

Until proxies are banned outright. 

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I'm afraid that's not physically possible--not without restricting the 'net to a universal whitelist, which would mean only big, official sites could be accessed anymore.

Otherwise, anyone with a domain name and a server can act as a proxy, with the right setup.

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Posted on 12-30-10 12:28:50 PM

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Originally posted by Metal_Man88
I'm afraid that's not physically possible--not without restricting the 'net to a universal whitelist, which would mean only big, official sites could be accessed anymore.

Otherwise, anyone with a domain name and a server can act as a proxy, with the right setup.

Well, ISPs could have lists of known proxies, put a line against proxies in their TOS or whatever (no laws needed here) banning proxy servers, and then do the kind of deep packet examination being brought up here... I mean, it won't stop 100% of proxy usage by any means, but it would make it a lot less safe to do so unless you had a private one.

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Sure. I'm just noting that, if ISPs get too deep into it, end users are liable to begin hacking their connections to subvert it.

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