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Posted on 12-13-10 06:20:44 AM (last edited by FirePhoenix at 12-13-10 03:28 AM) Link | Quote
It was fun but man now I know why Zelda hacks take the longest to make. I was following a beginner's guide.



A lot of it was pretty easy to do minus the tiny bit of hex editing at one point. It's just a long process. Probably goes a lot faster once you know what you're doing though.

Instead of the Lamp, you start with the Bow and Link's uncle is gone. The sword is in that chest there but without the Big Key you can't get it. THe tutorial only changed up this single room but it was pretty fun to do.

Doubt I'll ever do anything more with it though. It's way too time-consuming, even more so than Super Metroid. I'll stick to playing the 5 LttP hacks there are.

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Posted on 12-13-10 06:35:21 AM Link | Quote
Hmm. I may have to experiment with Hyrule Magic at some point. Hacking LttP is something I want to do.

Super Mario 64
Super Metroid
New Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros.
LttP.

God, I have a huge list.

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Posted on 12-13-10 07:27:45 AM Link | Quote
Yeah. Hacking LttP is a pain. Doesn't help that the editor has its bugs, either.

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Posted on 12-13-10 11:48:32 AM Link | Quote
That looks pretty nice, but I've been spoiled by Zelda Classic And I don't even use that anymore since college started.

Shouldn't this be in the rom hacking forum?
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Posted on 12-13-10 01:08:01 PM Link | Quote
I found Zelda Classic back in 2003 when I was looking for information on how to hack Zelda 1. I stumbled upon ZC and decided it would be a lot easier just to use that.

Of course, I never actually finished making a quest, but I had fun playing others' quests

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Posted on 12-13-10 01:31:05 PM Link | Quote

I played around with Zelda Classic before (like, right before) I came to Acmlm's actually... never really released anything, and I don't think any of the quest I was working on survived. I think I discovered Acmlm's and ROM Hacking looking for a Mario equivalent.

As for Hyrule Magic, I remember playing around with it a little, making the game unplayable, and giving up when I couldn't fix it.

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Posted on 12-13-10 03:07:40 PM Link | Quote
I never did finish a quest in Zelda Classic, either... I like playing other people's quests but lately I just haven't had enough time.

I might give it a chance again during Winter Break ...
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Posted on 12-13-10 07:18:16 PM Link | Quote
I'd never give up ZC for LTTP hacking.

ZC's code can be a bit of a mess at times, but it's so much easier and at times more flexible to work with.

I've gotten a few quests out (Quest Through Time , A Link to the Shadows, and Caballo), and I still have one in progress. I really should toy with the 2.5 alphas more than making joke quests, but the whole version stew makes it very hard to take building in one of them seriously.

I still use 1.90 and 1.92b184 for my projects.

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Posted on 12-13-10 08:55:31 PM (last edited by Reimu at 12-13-10 05:57 PM) Link | Quote
...
I tried Hyrule Magic and it was PAINFUL.
There was just broken rooms and doors everywhere, and game-crashing glitches on things you didn't even touch.

And I don't like how the game itself is coded to be honest...

ZC though is all about getting around the thousand of unfinished features. 2.1 is the most stable in my opinion and it's fun to use.
2.5 on the other hand has an ITEM EDITOR which is the one thing I like doing the most (though it is quite limited), but it's full of random unfinished crap everywhere. (Ugh dialogue. And Zelda 3 overrating...)

But I think the best 2D Zelda engine is the one from the Oracle games (and some things of Link's Awakening).

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Posted on 12-13-10 09:35:47 PM Link | Quote
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I should get around to installing Zelda Classic on here sometime... but please, don't keep remaking Zelda I in ZC, it's been done enough times already

Never tried to make any quests with it, however... although I've used other editors (such as the ones in Jetpack and Boppin', two awesome DOS games )

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Posted on 12-13-10 09:39:03 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Illumina
I should get around to installing Zelda Classic on here sometime... but please, don't keep remaking Zelda I in ZC, it's been done enough times already

Never tried to make any quests with it, however... although I've used other editors (such as the ones in Jetpack and Boppin', two awesome DOS games )

I remember playing around in the Jetpack editor!

Though the master of classic DOS games with editors is ZZT.

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Posted on 12-13-10 09:43:53 PM Link | Quote
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I should get around to installing Zelda Classic on here sometime... but please, don't keep remaking Zelda I in ZC, it's been done enough times already

Never tried to make any quests with it, however... although I've used other editors (such as the ones in Jetpack and Boppin', two awesome DOS games )

I remember playing around in the Jetpack editor!

Though the master of classic DOS games with editors is ZZT.

Ah, forgot about that one... haven't even touched ZZT in a long time

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Posted on 12-13-10 09:51:44 PM Link | Quote
Aside from a couple of the Wolfenstein 3D editors, I always had a hard time figuring out other game editors and they never made a lot of sense to me, unfortunately. It's a shame, I have a lot of ideas for hacks too. =/

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Posted on 12-13-10 10:42:55 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Illumina
I should get around to installing Zelda Classic on here sometime... but please, don't keep remaking Zelda I in ZC, it's been done enough times already


This.

I liked DarkFlameWolf's Origin, but most Zelda 1 remakes are just rather old and tired at this point.

Also, Boppin' was the first game I ever edited levels for, back in the mid-1990s

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Posted on 12-13-10 10:55:53 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Terra
I liked DarkFlameWolf's Origin, but most Zelda 1 remakes are just rather old and tired at this point


So did I! I love her quests, the style is nice and entertaining. (but I think they're somewhat difficult)
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Posted on 12-13-10 11:09:15 PM Link | Quote
Hyrule Magic sort of reminds me of older versions of EggVine.

...as in, if you literally size an object the wrong way, your entire ROM will explode. Fun.

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Posted on 12-13-10 11:40:23 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by S.N.N.
Hyrule Magic sort of reminds me of older versions of EggVine.

...as in, if you literally size an object the wrong way, your entire ROM will explode. Fun.

Hopefully MoN's Black Magic editor will be to Hyrule Magic what Romi's Golden Egg is to EggVine.

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Posted on 12-14-10 12:28:15 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Reimu
ZC though is all about getting around the thousand of unfinished features. 2.1 is the most stable in my opinion

You're kidding, right?

I mean outside of
(in 2.10.2)
the merely opening the misc. colors dialog crashing the entire program
being unable to specify a specific quest folder in ZC itself without the program breaking
being unable to edit tiles in any resolution other than the tiny default one

(in 2.10)
constant mouse ghosting
garbage tiles being added to the combo page if you happen to load any quest in 2.10 other than the one you already had open
MIDIs randomly refusing to load/crashing the program/becoming distorted and broken

I suppose it is pretty stable. (There's other stuff I'm forgetting, but those are the most immediately obvious bugs.)

Originally posted by Reimu
(Ugh dialogue. And Zelda 3 overrating...)

I don't see how this has anything to do with ZC 2.5 but okay. If you don't like the Zelda 3-esque features (of which there are hardly any, seriously, most of the engine overhauls are more Link's Awakening-esque than anything, not to mention completely optional) you can just not use them.

It'd be nice if the ZC developers would actually, er, finish 2.5, because it's more than promising. It's fairly stable as far as alphas go, except for the occasional alpha they come out with where they break stuff. Ugh. That, and the whole part where you have to dig through over 1000 alphas and you have to upgrade every 3 versions and direct people to specific alphas and people have to keep a bunch stocked up on their computer just to play 2.5 quests...

I've always wanted to make something a little closer to LTTP, 'cause I do like its engine, but... I've never particularly liked messing with Hyrule Magic. It is a headache. Same goes for LA, except I've never even really tried there.
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Posted on 12-14-10 12:36:27 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Rambly
Originally posted by Reimu
ZC though is all about getting around the thousand of unfinished features. 2.1 is the most stable in my opinion

You're kidding, right?


I think he meant stable in that the average number of minor things that can crash the application (many) has stayed remarkably stable between every update.

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