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Posted on 10-29-10 01:37:25 AM Link | Quote
How have you noticed the Internet change since you first used it?

I started going online a bit back in 1996 (regularly from like 2001). Google didn't exist in 1996, the big search engines were Yahoo!, AltaVista, Lycos, Excite, and others. I remember searching mostly for Commodore computer stuff, and I remember "Commodore 64" indicating almost 1 million results for just the number 64 alone. Now, Google has 910 million

In 2001, there were still a lot of small independent Web sites with lots of information, and many kept being updated. Dark backgrounds were more common. Banner and pop-up ads were everywhere. Message boards were usually the way to form communities around common interests, and so many Web sites had one with a thriving community of users. Now, there are all these blogs and wikis adn Facebook and such and it feels so different.

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Posted on 10-29-10 01:40:18 AM Link | Quote
I still wonder why light backgrounds seem to be more popular nowadays. I almost always shoot to use a dark theme if I have the choice.

I also remember when it wasn't impossible to browse the internet with an older computer/bad connection. Give that a shot now.

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Posted on 10-29-10 01:45:36 AM (last edited by Imajin at 10-28-10 10:48 PM) Link | Quote
It's interesting when you stumble across an old webpage from the 90's that hasn't been updated much... having a light background then was usually a sign that the generic white background, black text and blue link scheme was in use. (Or really just "browser defaults", I suppose) Now no one uses that...

Also, webrings and guestbooks! You never seem to see those...

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Posted on 10-29-10 01:47:36 AM Link | Quote
Amusingly enough, I was setting up a guestbook script for my own site.

I'll have to learn a bit more (and set up a mailer to let me know about entries so garbage doesn't stay for long), though.

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Posted on 10-29-10 01:48:26 AM Link | Quote
Oh yeah, I never liked webrings too much. If I used them, I'd just try to find the hub/list and click on the links that way. Not this "Next, Previous, Next 5, Skip, Random" stuff. Who remembers Web sites by ring order?

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Posted on 10-29-10 01:49:33 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Terra
Oh yeah, I never liked webrings too much. If I used them, I'd just try to find the hub/list and click on the links that way. Not this "Next, Previous, Next 5, Skip, Random" stuff. Who remembers Web sites by ring order?

Of course, thinking about it, Google does the same sort of thing on Blogger sites, doesn't it? "Next Blog" "Previous Blog"...

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Posted on 10-29-10 01:51:33 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Terra
Oh yeah, I never liked webrings too much. If I used them, I'd just try to find the hub/list and click on the links that way. Not this "Next, Previous, Next 5, Skip, Random" stuff. Who remembers Web sites by ring order?


Ahh, webrings. My personal favorites were sites that linked to pages of links that lead to other pages of links. They didn't call them "rings" for nothing. You could literally spend hours going in circles from one link page to another, never finding any real content...
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Posted on 10-29-10 02:00:07 AM Link | Quote


The internet confused me so much back then. I spent most of my time playing games instead!
But when I find sites that use the webring style now I think "That's actually a really neat idea. If they all contribute to the same subject."

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Posted on 10-29-10 10:40:40 AM Link | Quote
Does anyone else remember eWorld? That was my first experience with the net back in 1992. My mom used it way more than I did though. I didn't start using the net until we got AOL 3.0, and I didn't REALLY start using the net until like 2000 for research and stuff. And I didn't learn how to not be an idiot with computers and the web until around 2004.

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Posted on 10-29-10 05:03:32 PM Link | Quote
What do I still remember from the beginning of the internet?

*Old web-based chats
*Newsgroups (oh those were fun)
*Guestbooks (I've never seen those nowadays)
*Those nice private sites with valuable content, usually hosted on one of the many freehosters that existed back then
*RealAudio and RealVideo (the fact they're gone is for the better...)
*KaZaA (duh!)
*Netscape 4.0 was considered state of the art! When you look back it almost seems nonsensical.
*There was no Google, YouTube or Wikipedia. Instead, you searched on Yahoo and looked up stuff using the private sites. Videos were nonexistent in 1999, except for the mentioned Real videos.
*everything was better.

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Posted on 10-29-10 08:10:10 PM (last edited by Metal_Man88 at 10-29-10 05:11 PM) Link | Quote
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Oy, you mentioned something I'm a pretty big part of--I've been on the 'net since 1998. Back then we used old Web 1.0 things with HTML 3.0, if we had our own sites at all. Pre-made site makers were all the rage, and filled with pointless animated GIFs and buttons.

Ads were limited, except when they were not, and popups would offer various drive-by downloads to your browser. Back then we would just install them because we didn't know what spyware was.

Stupid and weird companies would make weird accessories like CueCat or spying applications like Gator (used to use passwords, I forget the first part of its name.)

There were eight million 'Mario' and eight million 'Sonic' sites, all fighting to be #1. It took several years for that to settle down. Unfortunately most of my picks for the Sonic ones died, which is why I'm nowhere in the Sonic scene today. The Mario ones were... more fortunate, but I don't care much for Mario.

People would argue about OSes. Back then, upgrading to a new OS no matter what was the standard. Even when ME came out, people would heckle you to upgrade, because 'new is better.'

Netscape was the best browser ever, until it was bought out and ruined with that Gecko nonsense. Then IE 5 or was it 6 crushed it and I was sad.

There were also multiple plugins competing with macromedia flash, and they died. Nintendo even experimented with one of them on its OOT website. Flash was used mostly for animated comics and site navigation back then; videos were not thought of, because Realplayer, Quicktime, and Microsoft's media player owned that segment.

Everyone loved to encode audio in stupid formats either quicktime or realplayer could play and no one else. Quicktime was decent, Realplayer was not.

Also, all websites were filled with 'under construction' images, and also webrings. Webrings everywhere. The only comics were Sprite comix, which ranged from horrible to chuckle-worthy, but never too great.

The most important part was that on this internet, nobody wanted to network in the social networking way. you could just go about your life without being bugged to go onto site XYZ to 'connect.' You knew who you did far more than you did now, because it took effort. These days there is no effort, so you can just friend someone and forget them.

Also, Yahoo was the main search engine, the way it should be. None of this dumb beta or web 2.0 crud, or taking over the world. I just want a search engine.

There were also more threaded forum systems, which were nightmarish usenet-like things that only about three people knew how to use.

UBB was king of message board software. Great, because it's STILL better than VBulletin. EZboard on the other hand sucked, hands down. Proboards are much better than it. Message boards and IRC were king in this time, as was AIM. The former two sort of survived better than AIM did, since while AIM is still widely used, it got a bunch of competitors.

Oh, and cometcursor. The evil thing which installs into your computer and tracks it, in exchange for dopey looking cursors on certain sites. Ever wonder why CSS lets you describe a custom cursor? Probably just to put Cometcursor out of business!

There's more, but I'll remember it later.

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Posted on 10-29-10 08:12:46 PM (last edited by paulguy at 10-29-10 05:26 PM) Link | Quote
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Originally posted by YK
Originally posted by Terra
Oh yeah, I never liked webrings too much. If I used them, I'd just try to find the hub/list and click on the links that way. Not this "Next, Previous, Next 5, Skip, Random" stuff. Who remembers Web sites by ring order?


Ahh, webrings. My personal favorites were sites that linked to pages of links that lead to other pages of links. They didn't call them "rings" for nothing. You could literally spend hours going in circles from one link page to another, never finding any real content...


This is how ROM sites were. They would mostly just link in to a horrible web of top 25/50/100/1000/etc sites where the ROM "downloads" would just bring you back to that, after you had voted for the site in 5 or 6 topwhatever sites. What a disaster. I would like to say the case is different now, but now it's much more about getting people to download your shitty adware to make a few dirty bucks from some advertising group probably funded by something illegal, like stolen credit cards and bank accounts, rather than just wanting to be on the top of a topwhatever site, so we're really quite a bit worse off, but there are actually decent ROM sites around and there's torrents which are usually much more trustworthy, especially when there's reviews and stuff.

Back in the day, web design was bad because they didn't know better, nowadays web design is bad because they're trying to market to idiots, so rather than being unknowing, it's evil, now. Idiots seem to like bright colors and shiny things that move and stuff, so that might be the origin of bright color schemes, and other websites just followed the precedent set by that. The web also has gotten a bit more "professionalized" in some areas, too, though, and the "paper" analogy I think gets a bit more weight in a corporate environment than something that's actually comfortable to read.

Basically, everything sucks, web standards suck, and nobody's going to agree on anything because it'd cost more money, and they'd rather screw people over or make things shitty for people who actually give a shit about design because it makes them more money in the end, so the web is only going to get worse for the most part. The way of the world I guess!

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Originally posted by Metal_Man88
There were eight million 'Mario' and eight million 'Sonic' sites, all fighting to be #1. It took several years for that to settle down. Unfortunately most of my picks for the Sonic ones died, which is why I'm nowhere in the Sonic scene today. The Mario ones were... more fortunate, but I don't care much for Mario.

I'm sure someone here has heard of Sonichu?

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Posted on 10-29-10 08:34:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal_Man88
UBB was king of message board software. Great, because it's STILL better than VBulletin. EZboard on the other hand sucked, hands down. Proboards are much better than it. Message boards and IRC were king in this time, as was AIM. The former two sort of survived better than AIM did, since while AIM is still widely used, it got a bunch of competitors.

Oh god, EZboard... I remember that. They were huge back in the day, or at least it seemed like every site had an EZboard at some time or another.

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Posted on 10-31-10 12:22:50 AM (last edited by Metal_Man88 at 10-30-10 09:23 PM) Link | Quote
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Yeah. I recall how many times I lost my password. I eventually lost interest after the millionth password loss.

There was exPages too, the easy little make-your-own pages. My first webpage was in there, and dates to 1998... it was only recently lost.

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You know, I think I liked it better when random people weren't allowed to contribute their inane banter on almost every single piece of content out there.

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Posted on 10-31-10 05:18:21 AM (last edited by YK at 10-31-10 02:20 AM) Link | Quote
Ooh, here's a good one... anyone else ever used AOL and their stupid "chat rooms"? Now *there* was a piss-poor setup. Very low limit to the number of people who could be in one, resulting in loads of "This room is full" every time you tried to enter a more popular room. No support for multiple chatrooms; you were in one or the other. And worst of all, no kind of moderation whatsoever. It wasn't possible to kick/ban anyone, which resulted in trolls and griefers utterly ruling chat rooms. I remember many a night on AOL's FF7 chat room, where one Nintendo 64-obsessed idiot would spend the entirety of the night scrolling "THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: OCARINA OF TIME!" over and over again... ...I shudder to think about that time... thank goodness for IRC...

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Originally posted by Peardian
You know, I think I liked it better when random people weren't allowed to contribute their inane banter on almost every single piece of content out there.


That's what Web 1.0 is for. It's a shame so few people use it to make their pages, because I don't care what morons have to say about Yahoo News.

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Posted on 10-31-10 06:33:09 AM Link | Quote
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People used to share videos on forums by passing around WMV files. Eugh.

Fortunately, they weren't as difficult to download as they would be today, since not many places required stupid shit like registration and javascript to download a file.

There used to be actual free website hosts where you could host whatever pages you like (arbitrary HTML) rather than today's services that only host blogs or images or whatever. You could host whatever you wanted there. No dynamic content (server-side scripting), but there was hardly any such thing anyway. It was pretty nice. They'd inject ads into the page (often just tacking something on at the end, after the </html> - it works, who cares if it's correct) and often people would employ equally hackish methods to remove them (put a <title> at the very end of your page and use Javascript to set the title).
People also often used them as file/image hosts, but they'd deny external linking for certain extensions - so you'd see images with .txt extension and instructions to download a file and change the extension from .txt to .zip or what have you.

ANIMATED GIFS AND BLINKING MARQUEES EVERYWHERE WITH EMBEDDED MIDIS AAAAAGGGHHH
You'd see the same goofy GIFs all over the place. They liked the kind where it looked like there was a hole in the page with gears or sometimes circuits showing, and pulsating bullet points.

Not a lot of structure. You didn't have blogs and forums and galleries so much as just pages full of random information about some particular subject with images strewn about here and there.

Flaming text, and static glowing text with an IE filter.

AOL chat rooms, which tended to be nothing but a flood of broken HTML from 200 spambots at once in all different fonts, sizes and colours.

Yeah, there were some nice things, and then some ugly things.

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I do like the simpler nature of older websites, when they were well done. Nowadays sites that really don't need it use Javascript for everything, or they're bloated with way too many features that no one needs, and load slowly as a result (invision power board), or just have atrocious layouts (invision power board), where stuff is just strewn about with no organization, or it's hidden under some random button somewhere that expands some div, and there's no consistency for any of this stuff and it's all really unintuitive and just too busy. This forum seems to work with pretty minimal Javascript, and still provides a good amount of features, and there aren't random controls scattered where you don't expect them, and that's how most websites used to be. If they had a lot of sections, it'd be in a decent hierarchical structure, rather than nav bars thrown around everywhere with no sense of organization with overly ridiculous, busy styles and layouts that just make focusing on the flow of information and navigation and so on very difficult.

Also, websites that are slow on otherwise decently performing computers (older Athlons, Atom, etc.) for some silly stupid features that can be done without Javascript or with much more minimal, less slow Javascript (Youtube channel pages and really youtube in general).

There are few sites with nice, usable layouts that feel natural, and have styles that aren't just so overwhelmingly busy where you can't find a damn thing or have adequate contrast or don't burn your eyes out by being so bright. And fucking light grey text on white background, jesus christ why do people do this?

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