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Posted on 10-10-10 02:13:28 PM Link | Quote
Wired opinion piece on the subject

This is the best article I could find on the subject, but even at that it does fail to see the big picture in a couple places.

I doubt that a purchase would ever, ever get past antitrust laws. Both companies are just butthurt because Windows Mobile and Flash are both terrible and Mr. Jobs basically called them out on it.

A partnership in which things like ... say ... Photoshop were no longer offered for the Macintosh would be bad, though -- for both Adobe and Apple. There's no chance that would happen. A purchase would allow Microsoft to eat the loss and do whatever they want. Release Photoshop in twelve different editions, kill off the Mac version, integrate InDesign functionality into Word, force the Creative Suite to be part of Office, etc.

At any rate, this seems to me to be pretty much the same old Microsoft. Instead of trying to innovate, just use someone else's idea, either through a "partnership" (that generally ends with the smaller company being absorbed) or a direct buyout. I dunno if this strategy will continue to work for very long. People love to cry foul and point out every tiny mistake Apple might make, but even when Microsoft is kind of the underdog, I doubt that too many people would like to see that kind of a merger.

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Posted on 10-10-10 05:03:09 PM Link | Quote
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I bet nobody would be complaining if it were Apple Adobe were merging/partnering with.

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Posted on 10-10-10 06:00:32 PM Link | Quote
I was honestly expecting it to happen with Apple, not Microsoft... after all, doesn't Adobe have more market share on Macs than on Windows? =/

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Posted on 10-10-10 07:10:00 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, but Apple hates Adobe. Adobe hates Apple.



Maybe if Microsoft buys out Adobe, they'll make the products better. Or less worse. Or something.

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Nah, what'll happen is Microsoft will pay off the right people and suddenly, it'll be allowed to happen.

Antitrust laws basically don't exist anymore.

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Posted on 10-10-10 09:07:29 PM (last edited by Orlandu at 10-10-10 06:08 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Peardian
Adobe hates Apple.

Not true.


They just hate that Apple has given them the stiffarm and chosen to completely excommunicate them (at least on mobile devices).

Honestly, I don't think a Microsoft take over would really do much. Flash remained basically the same when Adobe acquired Macromedia. I'm sure the Adobe name would stick around, too. Its too well recognized to get rid of it. It'd be something like:

Adobe Acrobat - A Microsoft Company

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Posted on 10-10-10 09:18:50 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Peardian
Maybe if Microsoft buys out Adobe, they'll make the products better. Or less worse. Or something.

sorry, I had to clean up the Dr. Pepper you just made me spit all over the screen. Good one.
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Posted on 10-10-10 09:51:06 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Orlandu
Honestly, I don't think a Microsoft take over would really do much. Flash remained basically the same when Adobe acquired Macromedia. I'm sure the Adobe name would stick around, too. Its too well recognized to get rid of it. It'd be something like:

Adobe Acrobat - A Microsoft Company


Seriously, it'd be just like AMD and ATI.

You don't see the difference at all.
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"Silverlight? What's that? We're using Silverflashlight 11.4 now!"

With double the security problems, and working in internet explorer only...

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Posted on 10-11-10 03:11:45 AM Link | Quote
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"Silverlight? What's that? We're using Silverflashlight 11.4 now!"

With double the security problems, and working in IE6 only...



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Posted on 10-11-10 08:32:24 AM Link | Quote
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Oh yeah, and this version will never be available outside of Windows, and supports (by which we mean pretty much only supports) our new Windows Media 16 audio and video format that's incompatible with everything else ever. Upgrade now!

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Posted on 10-11-10 08:35:53 AM (last edited by Xkeeper at 10-11-10 05:38 AM) Link | Quote
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Photoshop were no longer offered for the Macintosh
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Oh yeah, and this version will never be available outside of Windows

Did you know that Microsoft Office is available for Mac OS X?

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Posted on 10-11-10 08:39:54 AM Link | Quote
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Still? I thought they canned that a while back.

This is Flash, though... it's been enough of a pain to get working on non-Windows devices without Microsoft getting involved.

Can we just get some damn GPU acceleration in web browsers already so SVG+HTML5 can work on replacing Flash? Kinda hard to do when you measure your rendering in frames per minute.

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Posted on 10-11-10 03:23:09 PM (last edited by Bagel at 10-11-10 12:24 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Did you know that Microsoft Office is available for Mac OS X?


See, now ... well. It's not the same Office. At all.

It uses the same file formats. Otherwise it's very different than Windows Office, being inconsistent in several ways, such as where to locate certain features (not to mention omitting several features entirely.) It's also stupidly unstable -- Office:mac 2004 had an issue that went unfixed for three updates where Word would crash 100% of the time if the regular Save command was chosen, for example, and PowerPoint (both 2004 and 2008 on PowerPC Macs especially) likes to randomly hang for ten seconds before spitting up the Microsoft Error Reporter and then giving you the spinning beachball when it's not able to generate an error report properly. It's very Windows-like; Microsoft's Mac devs should be lauded for bringing that legacy Windows feel over to another platform.

Other fun things:

- Office:mac 2004 and 2008 both load the entire Visual Basic for Applications libraries when an Office app is started, wasting RAM (Office 2004 doesn't even have VB support!)
- Entourage, which is included as a mail/calendar client instead of Outlook, isn't anywhere near compatible with Outlook on the Windows side of things. This forced Apple to build Exchange support into OS X so enterprise users would stop whining ... Exchange support is something that isn't even supported in Windows without Windows Office being installed.
- Keyboard shortcuts aren't the same and sometimes don't make any sense; e.g. F2 might edit a cell in Excel on Windows while on the Mac it's Ctrl-U for some reason.
- Toolbars have an arbitrary limit of 24 buttons. It's like ... what? Some of us have displays that go higher than 800x600 these days.
- Office 2008 used non-standard save/load/print dialogs. I think that was actually fixed with an update, though. 2004 still uses non-standard dialogs.
- Office 2011:mac is going to use the Ribbon, which is completely inconsistent with any interface that any Mac user (even people who have been using the Mac since the 80s or 90s) would be familiar with. Sure, they say you'll be able to rearrange it and at least on the Mac you get to hang onto the traditional menu bar, but ... what? UI parity doesn't make sense in this context. It's more MS egomania; all Mac users are obviously just temporarily switching over from Windows 7, so they must know the ribbon toolbar!
- It's a pretty common sentiment that other than the Flash plugin, MS Office is the least stable piece of software on the Mac platform.

NeoOffice is a custom Mac-tailored version of OO.o that is better than MS's suite in almost every way. It supports the Office 2007 formats and formatting, and while not being the most stable app itself (being written in Java), it is still a vast improvement.

tl;dr office:mac is entirely different and developed by different people who have no contact with the windows dev team. there's no feature/ui parity and it's not stable.

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Posted on 10-11-10 03:43:53 PM Link | Quote

Adobe Windows CS8.

They'll skip over CS6 and CS7 so it can make sense.

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