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Posted on 10-02-10 08:23:00 PM (last edited by Flying Omelette at 10-02-10 05:30 PM) Link | Quote
Strange hidden programmer's message in Equinox's menu graphics:





Ste and John are certainly Ste Pickford and John Pickford of Software Creations, the game's developer, but what does "were eve ok" mean?

Edit: Might actually be "were 'ere" (Ste & John were here, ok).
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Posted on 10-02-10 11:09:27 PM Link | Quote
My first thought was "here" with a missing "h", so yes, it's probably that.

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Posted on 10-02-10 11:20:52 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, that is how I make my rs most of the time when handwriting so...

My printing is terrible. ._.

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Posted on 10-02-10 11:57:41 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, I've mistook r's for v's sometimes too.

My own r's omit the stem, they're more like the IPA ɾ.

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Posted on 10-03-10 12:03:04 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Terra
My own r's omit the stem, they're more like the IPA ɾ.


...ha. And here I thought I was the only one who did that.
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Posted on 10-03-10 12:48:52 AM Link | Quote
The message was removed from the Japanese version, possibly because the letters/symbols for the Japanese dialogue took up the space where it was.
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Posted on 10-03-10 09:55:36 AM Link | Quote
Heh, I love silly hidden greetings like this.

This reminds me of the ASCII message "GRAEME DEVINE AND DAN CHANG WHERE HERE" hidden in Spot for the NES. An acquaintance of mine actually talked to one of the two (Graeme, I think) and told them I had found this message. They were rather impressed.

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Posted on 10-03-10 12:50:45 PM Link | Quote
Was it the same "Graeme" as "Graeme Norgate", the game music composer?

I found the Pickford brothers' website and they have a whole section devoted to Equinox (as well as sections for their many other games). Maybe I should tell them I found their secret.
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Posted on 10-03-10 07:29:09 PM (last edited by Flying Omelette at 10-03-10 04:29 PM) Link | Quote
Some more stuff from The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. I need some confirmation on a couple of these...




I found one unused animation frame of the duck already, but this one doesn't seem to be used, either.




This "enemy" is found in the Desert Palace. In one room, they move vertically up and down the left and right walls and shoot cannonballs. However, I can't recall anyplace in the game (and certainly nowhere in that dungeon) where they are attached horizontally to any walls. Maybe there is some place and I'm just not remembering it?




Uh... I don't recall those small and large "meat" sprites. At first I thought it looked like the Enemy Bait from the first Zelda game, but since there are large and small kinds and they are stored with the large and small magic refill decanters, it's more likely that they were meant to restore health...
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Posted on 10-03-10 07:40:50 PM Link | Quote
Those meat sprites are definitely never used. I've played that game more times than I can count, and I've also done a full rip of the game's item icons (I collect those things for use in games I make, and other projects), and never came across them... and I'm quite thorough.
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Posted on 10-03-10 07:49:54 PM Link | Quote
Yeah. Judging by where they're stored in memory (with the large and small magic refills), it certainly looks like enemies were originally supposed to drop small and large meat chunks for life refills (small would probably restore 1 heart, while large would restore several), but this was changed so that enemies only ever drop hearts and you only ever get 1 heart refilled from any defeated enemy.
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Posted on 10-03-10 08:08:14 PM (last edited by Reimu at 10-03-10 05:10 PM) Link | Quote
...
Originally posted by Flying Omelette

This "enemy" is found in the Desert Palace. In one room, they move vertically up and down the left and right walls and shoot cannonballs. However, I can't recall anyplace in the game (and certainly nowhere in that dungeon) where they are attached horizontally to any walls. Maybe there is some place and I'm just not remembering it?
I am sure they are in Ganon's Tower. In an horizontal room featuring a large pit and a bridge (so you fall if they hit you), and a secret room on the right end you can only get to by hitting yourself with a wall or something.

E: Yep, they are used just like that. Maybe somewhere else too, but I don't remember.

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Posted on 10-03-10 08:21:26 PM Link | Quote
Okay, thanks. I had a feeling they might be used somewhere that I just wasn't remembering. That's why I asked before posting them to the wiki. The only other place that was immediately coming to mind that had vertically-rolling cannonballs was the Eastern Palace, but they come out of a hole in the wall there.

Funny thing is, they're really just exactly the same sprites as the vertical versions, just flipped 90 degrees.
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Posted on 10-04-10 03:53:27 PM (last edited by Tauwasser at 10-04-10 12:53 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Flying Omelette
Funny thing is, they're really just exactly the same sprites as the vertical versions, just flipped 90 degrees.

Sounds like you're implying they're unnecessary. However, the GB/C can only do x-, y- and xy-flips. 90° rotations are neither of those.

cYa,

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Posted on 10-04-10 08:50:50 PM (last edited by Flying Omelette at 10-04-10 05:51 PM) Link | Quote
This is the SNES version. Generally, though, I've noticed that sprites are only ever flipped horizontally in ALttP. If there needs to be a horizontally-facing version of a vertically-facing object, or vice versa, there will be separate sprites for it.

Man, Gradius 3 is uneventful as far as unused stuff goes. Played through almost the whole game and found nothing. =(
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Posted on 10-04-10 08:53:34 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Flying Omelette
This is the SNES version. Generally, though, I've noticed that sprites are only ever flipped horizontally in ALttP. If there needs to be a horizontally-facing version of a vertically-facing object, or vice versa, there will be separate sprites for it.

Man, Gradius 3 is uneventful as far as unused stuff goes. Played through almost the whole game and found nothing. =(

SNES is the same way; tiles can't be rotated, just flipped (though you can simulate 180° rotation by flipping X and Y).

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Posted on 10-04-10 11:26:56 PM Link | Quote
Better than the Master System/Game Gear, which couldn't flip sprites at all!

And yet, people still claim the SMS was vastly superior to the NES...

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Posted on 10-05-10 09:48:28 AM Link | Quote
On Ninja Gaiden 2's unused song,

"(Category. (Should be replaced with an OGG of just the unused song eventually, though.))"

I have an mp3 of it here. If someone wants to snag it and convert it, that would probably make that task a lot easier.

Although my computer (or Winamp, more or less) spontaneously decided it could now play ogg's after years of me fighting with it and getting no results, I still have no means of converting to ogg.
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I uploaded an OGG version for you.
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Posted on 10-06-10 03:04:03 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Flying Omelette
Was it the same "Graeme" as "Graeme Norgate", the game music composer?

I found the Pickford brothers' website and they have a whole section devoted to Equinox (as well as sections for their many other games). Maybe I should tell them I found their secret.



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line 353 column 907 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 650 column 938 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 742 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 213 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 239 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 268 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 325 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 351 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 353 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
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line 353 column 366 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 353 column 460 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 353 column 543 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 353 column 646 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 353 column 728 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 355 column 1311 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 355 column 1402 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 355 column 1579 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 355 column 1763 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 379 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 407 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 450 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 476 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 502 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 504 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 508 column 1375 - Warning: <marquee> is not approved by W3C
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line 560 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 591 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 619 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 648 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 650 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 650 column 155 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 650 column 366 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 650 column 460 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 650 column 543 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 650 column 646 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 650 column 728 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 652 column 1162 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 652 column 1253 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 652 column 1430 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 652 column 1614 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 676 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 708 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 734 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 402 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md