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My laptop has Ubuntu on it, but I never use it and haven't yet got it working properly. (No sound, no wifi, stupid default touchpad behaviour, etc.)

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Posted on 09-22-07 01:35:36 AM

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The only distro I've sat down, installed, and actually liked using was slackware 10.1.

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Posted on 09-22-07 01:37:50 AM

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I use Windows, because it fucking works.

I tried using Fedora 3 (at someone's suggestion, since everyone else was completely baffled at the idea of someone not knowing how to install Linux by heart -- assholes) and, uh, never again. Ever.

Let's just say that Windows does a good enough job of what I want that I have no reason to switch to Linux. It isn't user-friendly and never will be by design, so fuck it.

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Posted on 09-22-07 01:42:22 AM

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really it depends on your hardware.

a main problem with making linux user friendly is that a lot of companies don't care to release linux drivers, and when they do, they are seldom included in free distros because of legal reasons. Some even cost money.

And developers have to reverse engineer everything to code their own because companies never let out their information on hardware.

if everyone was open, I guarantee almost all hardware would be supported in linux after a year or two.

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Posted on 09-22-07 01:45:39 AM

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Linux blows. Who wants to download and update things via a downloader thing build in to their OS. Why can't you just download something similar to an EXE file, why does everything need to be installed via CLI? ____________________ I made this layout first, BELIEVE IT!

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Posted on 09-22-07 02:08:37 AM

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Originally posted by Sonicandfails
Linux blows. Who wants to download and update things via a downloader thing build in to their OS. Why can't you just download something similar to an EXE file, why does everything need to be installed via CLI?

Slackware doesn't have a full-blown package manager like, say, Debian does (Ubuntu's package manager is based on Debian's). Slackware's package management is just a loose collection of tools (called pkgtools) that are used to manage software already installed. Either of these can be run from the CLI, and there are GUI frontends available for Debian's package manager.

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I use Windows, because it fucking works.

I tried using Fedora 3 (at someone's suggestion, since everyone else was completely baffled at the idea of someone not knowing how to install Linux by heart -- assholes) and, uh, never again. Ever.

Let's just say that Windows does a good enough job of what I want that I have no reason to switch to Linux. It isn't user-friendly and never will be by design, so fuck it.

I had very little knowledge of Linux when I installed Fedora Core 1 (a few years back.) I still managed to find my way around and become familiar with the tools over time.

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Posted on 09-22-07 03:02:41 AM

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Originally posted by hydrapheetz
I had very little knowledge of Linux when I installed Fedora Core 1 (a few years back.) I still managed to find my way around and become familiar with the tools over time.

Fedora made a bad enough impression; the installer was completely fucking broken (displayed like SHIT), the actual OS itself constantly butchered the screen...

My point is, nobody should ever have to use a CLI for running or doing anything (except excessive system tweaking or compiling, maybe, and even then).

Very few, if any, Linux packages are ever released as binaries. Most require self-compilation, so if you have an incompatible compiler or something's wrong, so much for that.

This is the reason Linux will never, ever reach the popularity of Windows or MacOS.

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Posted on 09-22-07 03:04:25 AM; last edit by Ranko on 09-22-07 03:05 AM

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Although I've been consistently told to try it...haven't period...I've never once used Linux.

If it's basically similar to DOS, as I'm not sure if it is or not, I'd have a shot in hell. The only thing I've really ever heard it be literally kickass in is programming and or server management. Destroys Windows by leaps and bounds.

But for my personal use, what would Linux really do for me? Probably nothing if anything.

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Posted on 09-22-07 03:10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Biospark
Originally posted by hydrapheetz
Very few, if any, Linux packages are ever released as binaries. Most require self-compilation, so if you have an incompatible compiler or something's wrong, so much for that.

This is why distributions already provide package repositories to install from, with frontends to a distro-specific package manager. I was more than capable of compiling my own binaries if the need arose (very infrequently, or when there wasn't a binary package available (python 2.5, vim 7.x))

Originally posted by Biospark
My point is, nobody should ever have to use a CLI for running or doing anything (except excessive system tweaking or compiling, maybe, and even then).

I find doing some things from the CLI is faster than with a GUI in some cases. YMMV.

Originally posted by Biospark
Fedora made a bad enough impression; the installer was completely fucking broken (displayed like SHIT), the actual OS itself constantly butchered the screen...

Sounds like X11 doesn't like your graphics adaptor. Everything worked perfectly fine (including on my shitty radeon 9200) while running slackware linux. Then again, the 9200 is old.

Originally posted by spiroth10
a main problem with making linux user friendly is that a lot of companies don't care to release linux drivers, and when they do, they are seldom included in free distros because of legal reasons. Some even cost money.

AMD is releasing ATI's specs soon. I've heard the binary ATI drivers are generally horrible. Although the open source 9200 driver worked perfectly for me (even with somewhat good hardware acceleration.)

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Posted on 09-22-07 05:58:44 AM

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Xk pretty much nailed it. Linux just seems to have so many bugs. I haven't yet used a Linux distro on any machine and not had, for example, a program just randomly close or the screen be displayed in some weird skewed form. Then there's user-friendliness and the CLI... you should have the ability to do anything from the CLI, but should almost never be forced to use it, unless you're doing advanced system-related stuff or coding. (Installing a program is NOT advanced system-related stuff.)

Basically the only reason I'm bothering with Linux is I'm sick of Windows' bugs and I refuse to use Vista.

XP will be out of date soon enough and I don't want to be stuck with it. Linux still has a ways to go, though.

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I highly doubt XP is going out of style any time soon. Just look at how long 200 survived, for example.

(to that end, RIP 2000; we'll miss you)

And if I may be brutally honest, the reason Linux devs get no support is that they don't want support. If they did, they would try to get a larger market share, which isn't possible with the ten-billion-different-distros system right now -- even the 12 versions of Vista (or whatever) are basically the same OS plus/minus some features. Even Mac OS is mostly just one system, with a few newer versions.

That and they fail to realize that about 80% of computer users are people who do not have the time or energy to sit down for five months and learn how to use a CLI -- if I was to sit them down at a command prompt in Windows, with an exact command ("type this, tell me what it says") they'll get confused, and this is the same with most people I deal with. Linux developers fail to understand that just because they know CLI and various other user-unfriendly methods, everyone should know them (or learn them)... but most people just want a system that can be easily set up with minimal interference and minimal knowlege. Case in point, XP by default is basically "turn on, change network settings if required, go".

The bottom line is that until Linux stops being for nerds (i.e., never), there is no reason to bother using it other than to flant your geeky e-peener and get away from XP/Mac.

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Posted on 09-23-07 03:20:41 AM

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Originally posted by Biospark
The bottom line is that until Linux stops being for nerds (i.e., never), there is no reason to bother using it other than to flant your geeky e-peener and get away from XP/Mac.

The stability of Linux, amongst other things, makes it ideal for building servers. Windows-run web servers typically have to be rebooted very frequently; at least once a week to be on the safe side. Linux servers can be up for years on end with no troubles.

Originally posted by Biospark
Very few, if any, Linux packages are ever released as binaries. Most require self-compilation, so if you have an incompatible compiler or something's wrong, so much for that.

All Debian packages are available in source and binary packages--binary for all architectures. Loading up Synaptic and clicking a check box is actually a very easy way to do things. I will argue that Debian is perhaps the easiest to get set up. apt-get install xorg and gnome, startx and you're good to go.

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I don't understand Linux at all. There are like, 1 million different versions and I have no idea which is for what or why there are so many versions or arrrrgh!

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Posted on 09-23-07 08:24:19 PM

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Originally posted by Biospark
I highly doubt XP is going out of style any time soon. Just look at how long 200 survived, for example.

(to that end, RIP 2000; we'll miss you)

Windows 2000 is dead? Someone forgot to tell me...

As for Linux, I've looked at it on occasion, but the forces of inertia always win out...

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Posted on 11-26-07 03:31:28 AM (last edited by spiroth10 at 11-26-07 12:32 AM)

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haha nice to see one of my old threads survived.

well, there are benefits to CLI for one, and these days, there are GUI applications sprouting up left and right that reduce, or even negate, the need for a normal user to have to access a CLI...

seriously, I've watched linux grow since 2002 and it has come a LONG way in that time.

again, the issue with installers screwing up the display is all hardware incompatibilities that are, slowly (but faster than ever before) being surmounted.

another innate benefit of linux, is the part about it Xkeeper seems to hate the most -- seeing that everything, somewhere in the system, is being accessed through a CLI (even if its in the background, or in a configuration file that runs at startup) -- this benefit is the fact that NOTHING will run without the express typed consent of the system admin. this pretty much annihilates the virus threat totally, and keeps the system running fast and modular.

hell, I've had windows boxes that bloat themselves simply through everyday use, but linux gives me constant performance (usually much faster and more responsive).

funny thing is, I eventually dumped ubuntu because it reduced the CLI capabilities of linux, and tried to automate more. Once you get used to it, CLI commands can be much quicker in some cases. Sometimes even more natural.

I still use windows only for concerns of software, but if major companies published software for windows, I'd use it religiously

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Posted on 11-26-07 03:44:06 AM

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Originally posted by spiroth10
haha nice to see one of my old threads survived.

Originally posted by spiroth10
well, there are benefits to CLI for one, and these days, there are GUI applications sprouting up left and right that reduce, or even negate, the need for a normal user to have to access a CLI...

You could chain a group of CLI apps into a script. Should be faster than having to navigate through a group of GUI apps and configure everything accordingly.

Originally posted by spiroth10
seriously, I've watched linux grow since 2002 and it has come a LONG way in that time.

I've been using it since about 2004/2005. Yes, it has grown substantially. Wal-Mart has recently sold out of low-cost desktops that run Linux.

Originally posted by spiroth10
again, the issue with installers screwing up the display is all hardware incompatibilities that are, slowly (but faster than ever before) being surmounted.

IIRC, Slack still uses a text-based installer. By "text-based" I mean it's reminiscent of (n)curses apps.

Originally posted by spiroth10
another innate benefit of linux, is the part about it Xkeeper seems to hate the most -- seeing that everything, somewhere in the system, is being accessed through a CLI (even if its in the background, or in a configuration file that runs at startup) -- this benefit is the fact that NOTHING will run without the express typed consent of the system admin. this pretty much annihilates the virus threat totally, and keeps the system running fast and modular.

Originally posted by spiroth10
hell, I've had windows boxes that bloat themselves simply through everyday use, but linux gives me constant performance (usually much faster and more responsive).

I do find Windows tends to get gunky after a few months of use. There are ways to alleviate this temporarily, but the best course of action is just to slash, burn, and reinstall it.

Originally posted by spiroth10
funny thing is, I eventually dumped ubuntu because it reduced the CLI capabilities of linux, and tried to automate more. Once you get used to it, CLI commands can be much quicker in some cases. Sometimes even more natural.

It's still why I like slackware. Even though I've been stuck on Windows for the past couple of months 8(

Originally posted by spiroth10
I still use windows only for concerns of software, but if major companies published software for windows, I'd use it religiously

There's very little highly-windows specific software I use, anyway. ;3

(Actually, now that I think about it, there is none. Hooray.)

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Posted on 11-26-07 04:03:00 AM (last edited by Stigandr at 11-26-07 01:03 AM)

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Well, nice of you to include the (if any) in your original post.

I don't use it. While Linux has its uses, Windows is simply a better choice for someone like me who uses his computer almost exclusively for games. I'm aware of ways around the issue, but why deal with workarounds when I have almost no reason at all to switch?

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Posted on 11-26-07 04:41:59 AM

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Originally posted by NightKev
I don't understand Linux at all. There are like, 1 million different versions and I have no idea which is for what or why there are so many versions or arrrrgh!

I used wikipedia to find a good version for me. I have ubuntu installed in vmware on this laptop (rarely used unless I am in boring lecture).

I have gentoo installed on VMware on my desktop for mysql stuff. It is a pain to get mysql for windows working on XP and I failed miserably.

I am starting to experiment with OSX for development work. I can't stand windows to do any development work. UNIX has many nice tools for me to use so I am glad Cygwin exists. Other than development work, Windows suits me nicely in terms of media, games, and homework.

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