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Posted on 09-23-10 04:54:06 PM Link | Quote
Intel wants to charge $50 to unlock stuff your CPU can already do - Engadget

Paying for a processor then spending $50 to get what's already there? Ahahahahahaha no.

Seriously, fuck Intel. Can't wait for this to be blown wide open. Sure, it's on their lower-end machines, but there's always the chance this could take over their entire line.

...Not to mention you could buy a quad-core AMD processor for the same, if not less, most likely...

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Posted on 09-23-10 07:21:16 PM Link | Quote
I'm so going to use my full Computer Engineering skills to battle that (to the death).


But seriously, this is bulllllllllshit.
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Posted on 09-23-10 07:27:08 PM Link | Quote

I don't see what the big deal is, they're removing features and selling it at a lower price point, like they've been doing with other lines for years, how is this any worse than dummying out features on something and selling it at a lower price?

Now they're allowing you to upgrade without having to install a new processor. I'd call that a good thing.

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Posted on 09-23-10 07:39:15 PM (last edited by krutomisi at 09-23-10 04:39 PM) Link | Quote
I'd love to see Linux boot it up  


Originally posted by setz
Now they're allowing you to upgrade without having to install a new processor.


when you say it like that, it almost sounds like a good idea
but they would abuse it to get more money out of the same thing

it would be too easy for them to not abuse it

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Posted on 09-23-10 08:14:07 PM Link | Quote
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Yeah, like the article said, chips with stuff locked out are normally that way because the batch failed testing. This is taking chips that passed testing being locked. The point is that they're still profiting from the chips at this lower price, because they're still spending as much on making the chips, since the features are there already, so the "upgrade" is just extra profit. Certainly businessy, but pretty under-handed.

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Posted on 09-23-10 08:44:33 PM (last edited by Aerakin at 09-23-10 05:49 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by setz
Now they're allowing you to upgrade without having to install a new processor. I'd call that a good thing.


I don't know if I missed something or if you have another source, but where did it say that?

For all you know, they could still be charging full price


EDIT: Of course, I might be overreacting. Intel is saving money if they simply disable features and sell at a lower price, instead of having to make too many different chips. It's quite possible that might reflect on prices.
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Just don't buy Intel. Problem solved.

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Posted on 09-23-10 10:42:20 PM Link | Quote
Intel has become wayyyy too big lately. i5s and i7s are fast and all but you can get a comparable Phenom for like $200 less now. I'm more of an AMD processor person really since they seem to be more than adequately powerful while still generally being affordable.

I mean, AMD *and* Intel have sold processors with features disabled before (examples like the Athlon 64 X2s being tri-core Phenoms with one core disabled, Celerons being essentially Pentium 4s or Core processors with certain features turned off) so I can see why this could become an option, but frankly you'll get more value out of a whole new processor rather than using a dumbed-down one for two years and then paying to get it "upgraded."

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Posted on 09-23-10 10:46:13 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Bagel
(examples like the Athlon 64 X2s being tri-core Phenoms with one core disabled


I don't know about these one, but I know about Tri-core AMD processors actually being Quad-cores (with a core disabled due to defects). You'd pay for a tri-core, and with a BIOS update you could try your luck at Unlock Core.

Apparently quite a few people were able to get a fully working quad core system with these tricore.
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Posted on 09-23-10 10:59:49 PM Link | Quote
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There's a big difference between taking a 4-core chip with one faulty core, disabling that and selling it as a 3-core, and taking a working 4-core chip and charging extra to enable all cores. (Which isn't exactly what they're doing, but similar.) The general idea of paying extra to be able to use something you already own is pretty shady.

Trying to argue it as "buying an upgrade" doesn't really make sense. Unless they're selling at a loss and trying to make it up with these upgrades (which I highly doubt), they clearly can afford to sell the chips at this price - they cost the same to make whether their full capacity is used or not - so they could just sell them at that price without any unlocking nonsense. It's not costing them any more to let you use all the circuits in the damn thing, so charging for that seems pretty hard to justify.

It is common in the consumer electronics market to have different models at different prices which are physically identical and only have different software, but that's still not quite the same. The better software would have cost them more to make, so the extra cost is like buying a software upgrade. Here, it's only flipping a bit to enable something that's there whether you use it or not. There's no "more expensive" software being installed, but literally just a switch that allows you to use part of the hardware.

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Posted on 09-23-10 11:05:59 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Rena
There's no "more expensive" software being installed, but literally just a switch that allows you to use part of the hardware.


Of course, if they actually go down that road for good and it get's cracked, it's going to be hilarious.
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Posted on 09-23-10 11:07:02 PM Link | Quote
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...you mean it hasn't been cracked yet?

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Posted on 09-23-10 11:28:05 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Rena
...you mean it hasn't been cracked yet?


Dunno. If we're talking about Intel's crap, I thought it was relatevely new, so I doubt it.

As for AMD's thing, it's pretty much provided for free (i.e: my BIOS supported it out of the box, don't need it though)
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Posted on 09-24-10 02:07:06 PM (last edited by Orlandu at 09-24-10 11:07 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Aerakin
As for AMD's thing, it's pretty much provided for free (i.e: my BIOS supported it out of the box, don't need it though)

Same, my wife's Phenom x2 is actually an x4 now. I specifically bought a motherboard that said it supposed CoreUnlock. Having to pay to unlock Intel's cores is just a ploy for more money. And how do you know if yours is capable of being unlocked?

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Posted on 09-24-10 03:26:28 PM Link | Quote
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It's not even unlocking cores, it's unlocking threads and cache, for $50. :/

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Ultimately, it's just silly. Hackers will figure out how to unlock it on their own, and Intel will sue/C&D them, only to probably fail as I doubt there's anything really special to their core controls.

The moral of the story is: just because it will make more money, doesn't mean customers are going to like it at all.

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Posted on 09-24-10 10:31:06 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by setz
I don't see what the big deal is, they're removing features and selling it at a lower price point, like they've been doing with other lines for years, how is this any worse than dummying out features on something and selling it at a lower price?

Now they're allowing you to upgrade without having to install a new processor. I'd call that a good thing.

I think you're misunderstanding it.

This is like buying a refridgerator/freezer, but having to pay $100 to unlock the freezer door. It's there, it's perfectly fine, but they want to charge you more for it.


It's bullshit, plain and simple.

This is one reason I use AMD.


(Note: I haven't read TFA. This is probably a really bad idea.)

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Posted on 09-24-10 10:33:53 PM Link | Quote
Alright, finished reading TFA and it's just as much bullshit as I thought it was.

No god damn excuse, and I'm going to laugh like fucking hell when this is blown apart by the hacking scene.

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Posted on 09-24-10 10:34:47 PM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Xkeeper
(Note: I haven't read TFA. This is probably a really bad idea.)
Nah, you got it.

Apparently they're also going after the people who published the HDCP crack. 09F9 anyone?

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