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Posted on 09-20-10 02:20:58 AM (last edited by Terra at 09-19-10 11:21 PM) Link | Quote
Things that annoy me:
- Web sites that do weird scripting or whatever to force the browser to not remember the password for you. I don't want to have to memorize zillions of passwords or be forced to use the same one all over. Nobody other than me even touches my computer, so I don't need that layer of "security".
- Similarly, Web sites that always log you out after a very short time, like 10-20 minutes. Especially if they also do the above.
- Using Flash or something to make a Web site all fancy and slow when something simpler would do. Especially if the navigation gets fucked up.
- Bad navigation. Often I just click on Sitemap or try the search immediately because the layout is so confusing.
- Anything that autoplays. Thank goodness this is rare these days, but it happens sometimes. Often with ads blaring stuff like "You've just won 2 iPod Nanos!".
- Speaking of which, rollover ads. Rollover anything, actually. The mouse has to move over parts of the screen unless you control it with a stylus, so it really shouldn't be used to activate anything.

What annoys you on Web sites?

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The kind of rollover ads that activate by themselves, especially the kind that expand to take up half the page with their content. Also the kind that hijack the page and give you a little SKIP THIS AD button. The Spriter's Resource seems to get these quite often.

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Posted on 09-20-10 02:27:56 AM Link | Quote
Flash in general.

Worse if it's autoplaying.

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#55
- Annoying ads, but Adblock fixes most of that
- Large text sizes or spacing when it really doesn't need to be large (sometimes zooming out helps a bit, but not always)
- Sites that keep the default background/text colors when custom ones can look bad (more common than you'd think)

And some of the above

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Posted on 09-20-10 03:41:02 AM Link | Quote
- entire sites done in JavaScript or Flash. Before weather.com's redesign this year, it was completely done in javascript, for example.
- sites that still try to maintain IE6 compatibility
- sites that use flash
- autoplaying videos/music

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Posted on 09-20-10 03:48:32 AM Link | Quote
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Oh man I don't know where to begin. So many people utterly fail at web design these days.

Ads suck, sure. They're generally designed to annoy. That's another topic entirely.

More and more sites seem to be designed by people who don't know how to design websites. Not just in the sense that they don't know how to lay them out and make them nice and usable, but more in the sense that they don't know how to use the tools. Using Javascript to re-implement the functionality of basic HTML, Flash to re-implement the functionality of Javascript, and multiple Flash files (each having to be loaded in series) where one should have been. (I'm looking at you, MSPA.) And of course, when you use the wrong tool for the job, chances are you're doing it wrong and re-implementing things poorly and wrongly.

I see plenty of sites using scripts to perform such basic HTML functions as:
  • Forwarding to another page. (You want the meta tag, which also won't fuck with the back button.)

  • Making a button submit a form. (You want <input type="submit">.)

  • Saving user preferences. (You want cookies and server-side scripting.)

  • Displaying a confirmation prompt. (You want another page, with a form on it. You can then use scripts to display a popup prompt and bypass that page, once the page is working.)

  • Making a link lead to another page. (You want the a tag. Yes that's a single 'a', like <a href="http://ww.example.com">This is a link without Javascript!</a> )

  • Making a button lead to another page. (You want the a tag again; you can put a button tag inside, but really, just use an ordinary link.)

  • Retrieving and displaying content from a database or another page. (You want server-side scripting, or possibly the iframe tag in some cases.)

  • Making a link open in another window. (See below.)

  • Displaying an image. (You want the img tag.)

  • Displaying text. (You want just embed the fucking text in the HTML.)

  • Displaying the entire fucking page. (I don't even know how you manage this.)



Some places deliberately misuse scripts to annoy people into enabling them so their ad scripts will work, but these are usually trivial to circumvent. Most of the time, it's just design fail.

Then there are cases where scripts are used to break the functionality of HTML, such as...
  • Making links open in a new window or the same window, instead of what the user wanted.

  • Trying to interfere with context menus. (Thankfully this practice seems to have pretty much died.)

  • Scripts that toggle the visibility of some container. The problem with these is they are rarely implemented correctly. The container should be set to visible, and the script should change it to invisible when it first runs and then toggle when activated. Otherwise, without scripts there is no way to display the content.



Some sites use scripts or attributes to make a link open in a new window or not. Don't. The user will decide, by which mouse button or menu option they use, whether to open in the current window, a new tab, or a new window. Your attempts to override their choice will only annoy them.
Twitter manages to actually break this one in the opposite manner from most sites: Middle-clicking a link opens in the current window, instead of a new tab. This means I can't open a link and let it load and sit in the background while still reading the feed. REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING.

The proper use of Javascript (and, for that matter, CSS) is to enhance pages. You write your page in HTML ONLY and make it usable, then you add CSS to make it look nice, then you add Javascript to enhance it (e.g. popping up confirmation prompts instead of using a transition page). If, after these steps, your page is not fully functional with both Javascript and CSS disabled, you have failed.
(Exceptions of course for web apps that can't be implemented in HTML alone. Note the term "web app". Your web page is not a web app. Google Documents is a web app. Mibbit is a web app.)

Disqus is one of my favourite offenders. We can't display text on a page without using a script, but we can still manage to plug our broken "service". My god go die in a hole.


More annoyances:
Requiring login to post comments (CAPTCHA would like a word with you), or to even view a page. Please explain to me why I should take the time to register and give you my email and other personal information. Ideally by making it not mandatory.
Bonus points if you let the user spend several minutes writing something or filling something out before telling them "oh sorry, you need to be logged in." Those forms tend to find themselves processing several megabytes of garbage submissions repeatedly.

Sites that don't work in small windows. Not everyone has their browser maximized on a 1920x1080 screen at all times. Annoyances range from having to scroll left and right frequently, to having the content actually clipped off the side with no way to reach it. This is bad enough on a desktop - don't even think someone on a small mobile device is going to be able to see anything.

Sites that don't work in large windows. When someone does have their browser maximized at 1920x1080, a 20% margin makes for a huge gap of nothingness. Worse are pages that use a fixed pixel width, thus failing entirely on all but a small range of window sizes.

Sites that specify a text colour but not a background colour and vice-versa. Not enough people know that web browsers' default colours are user-selectable. Some people like light text on a dark background. Then they'll find site after site after site that specifies black text but leaves the background colour unspecified, using the user's dark default colour.
This is a simple rule - specify both foreground and background colour, or neither - and test with non-default settings. It's such a common mistake that for a while, even Google's homepage demonstrated it.

Some pages want to embed an image between paragraphs, and also make that image link somewhere. This is how you do it:
[image]

This is not how you do it:

Point your mouse beside each image to see why this method fails. If someone is multitasking, they'll want to be able to click any empty region on the page to switch focus back to it. Having huge empty regions serve as links interferes with that.
If you look at the image properties, you'll see a second failure: the second image has no alt attribute. Besides being required by standards, this means the user has nothing to click on before the image has loaded.

Some forum systems have a quick reply box at the bottom of threads. Some require you to click a button to enable it. What is the point of this? Oh, and no points if you guessed what that button does without Javascript.

A lot of sites have a small login box, with two text fields. It's usually fairly obvious from the "login" button what these are for, but they feel the need to label the boxes - by putting their descriptions inside them, as default values. This of course means without scripts you need to manually delete these strings, but there's a much bigger fail here: the password box is labelled with a default value, despite that it is a password box. A label of ******** isn't all that helpful.

Stop browser sniffing. It is not 1999. There are more browsers than IE and Netscape, and they are being updated frequently with new features. You cannot determine feature support by user agent string. Test for each feature before using it.

When your article is 200px
wide and surrounded on
all sides by hundreds
of pixels of ads,
"related content", and other
nonsense, nobody is going to
bother reading it. You are
writing a web page, not a
haiku.

Similarly, when you split a one-page article into 10 pages, you're only annoying your users. Of course the only real reason to do this is to make then view 10 pages to read the article, thus generating more ad views, so you're probably trying to annoy them. Go die.

Many pages use Javascript to embed Flash. This is semi-excusable: Flash's own generated embed code does it (their fail, not yours), there hasn't for a long time been a good standards-compliant HTML way, and Flash is a type of script too, so those who have scripts disabled probably don't care about not seeing it. The flaw here is, most of these sites don't fall back to a message saying "Scripts must be enabled to view this content." Instead, they say "Flash Player is not installed." This is usually not true, and is just going to confuse and frustrate your users. Changing the text to accurately report the problem is trivial. Learning how to embed without scripts and even just copying and pasting that simple code where you need it isn't hard either.


Some ask, why do you care about scripts? Why not just stop whining and turn them on and live with it? A few good reasons...
  • Machines can't see content that isn't visible without scripts. That means search engines and readers for the blind, for two significant examples. It also means most text-based browsers - this isn't usually a big deal, but if your site is explaining how to set up graphic drivers, it probably shouldn't require something present only in graphical browsers. Yes, this is a common problem.

  • Javascript is used to annoy far more often than it's used for good, and browsers generally do a terrible job of preventing it from doing such nasty things as hogging CPU and memory resources (deliberately or not), locking up the interface, taking down the entire browser and even being a security hole. A sane user won't trust random web pages, and an untrusted page shouldn't be allowed to execute arbitrary code. A properly-designed web browser would have scripts disabled by default on each site.

  • Those who re-implement functionality using scripts almost always do so poorly. Using scripts to make a link for example means you can't choose whether to open in a new tab or not, right-click and copy the location or bookmark the link, or search for links to certain pages, and the browser can't apply the "visited" style.




This has been Web Design 101, thank you for reading, there will be a quiz, and probably a followup post or two as I think of more things I forgot.

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Pretty much everything Rena has said drives me nuts.

Anyway, other things are:

  • Low contrast text. Not readable. w3 has even made a page checker just for this use.

  • Really small text. I know there are some people here who like to have megabytes worth of text on their screen at a time, but not everyone. Stick with the default sizes unless you really need to change it for some specific layout thing.

  • Text as images. Makes searching harder, makes load times longer, entirely unnecessary.

  • Gradients fucking everywhere. They're useful for some effects and things, but not on EVERYTHING and EVERYWHERE. Everyone has just gone crazy with gradients and it drives me nuts because more often than not it looks really bad.

  • Florescent or otherwise hard on the eyes colors. This includes blue on everything, but a lot of crap in general. Look at phpbb3's prosilver theme. Most people find this harsh on the eyes.

  • High contrast patterns which use a large area, like a background. These are really hard on the eyes and if you have text on them, that text won't be readable, though that applies to any high contrast background image with text over it.


That's all I can think of for now.

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Posted on 09-20-10 05:00:56 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Terra
- Anything that autoplays. Thank goodness this is rare these days, but it happens sometimes. Often with ads blaring stuff like "You've just won 2 iPod Nanos!".


I once went on a website that autoplayed a freaking YouTube video as an Ad.


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  • Hordes of "Tweet this" "Facebook this" "Digg this" buttons. Not only do we not need all those buttons, but some of us prefer to use old-fashioned word of mouth.

  • Message boards with user data on the right side. Have they possibly realized that since people reading in English read left to right, putting the user bar on the right distracts them every time they come to the end of a line?

  • Autoplaying midis, frames, things that follow the cursor, ads which have faulty mouseover detection that cover the whole page, and pages which lag due to being encrusted with scripts. Seriously, it's a webpage, not a giant flashy child's toy.

  • Harassing users with REGISTERED USER ONLY CONTENT, if it's a site which has no business doing this. One of the worst offenders was DetStar.com , which closed down shortly afterwards, since nobody's payin' a fistful of dollars to see lame SSB:M cheat codes.

  • On the same list, websites which have run out of content, and so instead of just going into archive mode, they... do something else they're bad at. Poorly made MSPaint comic pages, being bought out by another company that does something horribly unrelated, you name it: DetStar, once AGAIN, is my example, as they switched from something useful (game codes) to something abnormally stupid (MSPaint comics about half-dressed babes and the Maian aliens from Perfect Dark).

  • Dead websites which never explain why they're dead, and just have a fateful update from 2005 that looks normal, except now the site is dead and no longer updated. C'mon, man, you can't log on one last time to explain why you're never updating? I know you're not dead! Only one in a hundred webmasters wind up actually dying, and you're probably not the one.

  • Extension: Websites which go offline without any warning and stay dead, and never say why to their fanbase (if they were around long enough to have one.) This one just is annoying.


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    Cybersquatters with those fake Web sites made by stringing random common searches together into what looks like a real Web site. Ugh. Why can't expired domain names just die?

    Also, why do Web sites reorganize their content so much? Usually, there's no need for it at all and it just breaks old links.

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    Posted on 09-20-10 05:24:35 PM Link | Quote
    Originally posted by Metal_Man88
  • Dead websites which never explain why they're dead, and just have a fateful update from 2005 that looks normal, except now the site is dead and no longer updated. C'mon, man, you can't log on one last time to explain why you're never updating? I know you're not dead! Only one in a hundred webmasters wind up actually dying, and you're probably not the one.

  • Extension: Websites which go offline without any warning and stay dead, and never say why to their fanbase (if they were around long enough to have one.) This one just is annoying.



  • I feel really guilty now

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    Posted on 09-20-10 06:55:23 PM Link | Quote
    A lot of annoyances mentioned in this thread are matters of usability and accessibility. It's amazing how many web designers, programmers and web masters boast about how their website's source code is 'XHTML compliant' and uses 'valid CSS' (only syntax-wise and not logically, of course), but have totally no regard for stuff like the WCAG or WAI guidelines.

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    Forums that require registration just to view links in posts, evennif they link to an external domain.

    Forums that require a certain number of posts to download files then people using them to host stuff.

    Driver/DLL sites.

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    Posted on 09-21-10 02:28:52 AM Link | Quote
    I never understood why so many board systems require you to log in to view user profiles.

    Also, I once went to a board that, after I browsed it for a while, actually forbade me from browsing any further without registering. What a cheap way to get new users to join!

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    Posted on 09-21-10 06:00:55 AM Link | Quote
    Originally posted by paulguy
    Forums that require registration just to view links in posts, evennif they link to an external domain.

    Originally posted by Terra
    I never understood why so many board systems require you to log in to view user profiles.

    It's a certain kind of privacy. I for one don't like board profiles and such popping up in search results on Google because I once registered at the place. Even though I don't visit any 'weird' websites, I don't want people to be able to see where ever I go. Of course, restricting the whole profile / board to registered and logged in users is a little drastic. Using something as simple as a robots.txt file is already sufficient to prevent the majority of crawlers / spyders from indexing specific parts of your website.

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    Posted on 09-21-10 01:36:19 PM Link | Quote
    I can agree with you for the most part, but...
    Originally posted by Rena
    [...]multiple Flash files (each having to be loaded in series) where one should have been. (I'm looking at you, MSPA.)
    ...Um. What? Are you saying that you want all the Flash animations to be in one gigantic SWF file? Yeah, good luck not exploding every MSPA reader's computer. Including Andrew Hussie himself, I'm sure.
    Originally posted by Rena
    Twitter manages to actually break this one in the opposite manner from most sites: Middle-clicking a link opens in the current window, instead of a new tab. This means I can't open a link and let it load and sit in the background while still reading the feed. REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING.
    I can't say I've encountered this outside of the Follow Suggestions, on Firefox. I frequently open my @Replies tab alongside my Home tab.

    Though, I do admit, I HAVE encountered such a bug before on all Twitter links.
    ...in Internet Explorer 7.

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    Posted on 09-21-10 02:12:28 PM (last edited by Xkeeper at 09-21-10 11:15 AM) Link | Quote
    Originally posted by Leroy
    Originally posted by paulguy
    Forums that require registration just to view links in posts, evennif they link to an external domain.

    Originally posted by Terra
    I never understood why so many board systems require you to log in to view user profiles.

    It's a certain kind of privacy. I for one don't like board profiles and such popping up in search results on Google because I once registered at the place. Even though I don't visit any 'weird' websites, I don't want people to be able to see where ever I go. Of course, restricting the whole profile / board to registered and logged in users is a little drastic. Using something as simple as a robots.txt file is already sufficient to prevent the majority of crawlers / spyders from indexing specific parts of your website.

    Except people can tell from your posts, unless you want to have those hidden, too.

    The idea is plainly retarded either way. Use a robots.txt file if you don't want people searching your forum's profiles, or (for the users) just leave your profile with stuff people can't trace back to you.

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    Posted on 09-21-10 05:49:35 PM Link | Quote
    Originally posted by Xkeeper
    The idea is plainly retarded either way. Use a robots.txt file if you don't want people searching your forum's profiles, or (for the users) just leave your profile with stuff people can't trace back to you.


    So, forum profiles generally are searched (and/or gathered by the search engine bots that sign onto the forums)? I always did wonder if there was a point to the spammers who sign up for a forum, then just modify spam links into their profile and never make a post.

    Everyone probably covered most of my peeves, above. There's always the ads that try to follow you while you're scrolling around a page. Intellitxt ads - pick twenty-five (or more) words at random from a page to turn into hover-over ads, even IF they're "a" or "the." And on another slight variation from the peeves above, the computer-related problem 'answer' sites, that try to get you to sign up/pay for the solution you're looking for... even though you're most likely never going to need to use their site again.


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    Posted on 09-21-10 09:32:00 PM Link | Quote
    Originally posted by Aoi
    And on another slight variation from the peeves above, the computer-related problem 'answer' sites, that try to get you to sign up/pay for the solution you're looking for... even though you're most likely never going to need to use their site again.
    If you're referring to Experts Exchange, just use Google's cache of the site and scroll down.

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