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Posted on 08-25-10 02:32:52 PM Link | Quote
iControlPad heads into production, support for other phones promised

Originally posted by Engadget.com
It's been promised for years and was said to have gone into production before, but it looks like this time it's for real -- that's the very first iControlPad fresh off the production line pictured above. No orders are being taken just yet, but that's promised to be announced soon on Craig Rothwell's Twitter feed (linked below), and the first run is said to be limited to 3,000 units, which are expected to sell out fast.




This looks really sweet. Would make playing games 100x better, or at least some of them. Many of the ports have on screen d-pads and buttons which interfere with your viewing area. This eliminates that problem. And if it comes out for Android phones such as the EVO 4G and Droid 2/X, that'd be awesome.

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Posted on 08-25-10 04:10:11 PM Link | Quote
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It'll only work for homebrew apps.

Also, if those analog nubs are anything like the ones on my Pandora, they're useless, but the d-pad is a dream.

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Yeah, the issue is I don't think there's an option to turn off the on-screen controls for stuff.

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Posted on 08-27-10 12:23:04 AM Link | Quote
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The software would need to be made specifically for it, as in, the application would have to actually interface with it. I very highly doubt it'll actually map to touch events (at least not officially, maybe some software addon will do something about that eventually). I imagine any applications that are aware of the icontrolpad will turn off the onscreen touch control display.

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Posted on 08-27-10 12:54:33 AM Link | Quote
Realistically I think this kind of thing will become available without needing to jailbreak anything normally (unless you wanted to like ... use the controller input to navigate the home screen and stuff.) The developer APIs do allow interfacing with external hardware through the dock port; I don't think a game controller would end up being too much of a problem for Apple. The real issue would be having all the controllers being supported universally by an individual app.

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Posted on 08-27-10 01:16:23 AM Link | Quote
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It'd only really be useful for emulators, because most homebrew iPhone games are fucking terrible (the talent tends towards the app store, such as Canabalt, EDGE, etc.)

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Posted on 08-27-10 02:55:01 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Supakitsune
It'd only really be useful for emulators, because most homebrew iPhone games are fucking terrible (the talent tends towards the app store, such as Canabalt, EDGE, etc.)

One of the reasons there are no good games is because people just don't think it is worth it. Some people asked Pixel if they could port Cave Story to the iPhone, he said no. Why? Because you can't play it without a controller.

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Posted on 08-27-10 03:24:21 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by kellykel
One of the reasons there are no good games is because people just don't think it is worth it. Some people asked Pixel if they could port Cave Story to the iPhone, he said no. Why? Because you can't play it without a controller.

That has been the bane of a lot of touch screen games. Your viewing area is also your controller. Its not so bad for most of the games made for touch screens. But for ports and emulators, having the buttons on the screen reduces your viewing area while using the buttons. If this controller device is made to work with said games, it would alleviate that problem. They don't have to remove the touch controller buttons on screen, most of them are transparent anyway. But not having to use them allows you to see that much more at once.

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Posted on 08-27-10 09:55:01 PM Link | Quote
Considering the size of that thing (i.e doesn't fit in my pocket), do not want.
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Posted on 08-27-10 10:01:31 PM Link | Quote
So you have a touchscreen device.
You want to play non touch-screen games on it.
You buy an extra attachment to play those games at the cost of portability.


...why not use a real gaming device?

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Posted on 08-28-10 12:51:44 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Peardian
So you have a touchscreen device.
You want to play non touch-screen games on it.
You buy an extra attachment to play those games at the cost of portability.


...why not use a real gaming device?

Cause your "real" gaming device can't make phone calls

Its actually not that big considering it breaks down in to 3 parts. Its not something you would need with you all the time, only for the situations where you'd be playing games for extended periods of time (movie premier line, road trip, plane flight, etc).

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Posted on 08-28-10 03:03:50 AM Link | Quote
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Yeah, it looks like it comes apart and goes together easily enough that you can just carry it in a bag or something and put it on when you need it. It's also cheaper than having a phone and a game device since someone might need a phone, so may as well get some kind of gaming/emulation device out of it.

Probably could be a bit more pocketable, but you can't expect a whole lot from such an addon.

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Posted on 09-28-10 08:01:58 PM Link | Quote
Update says that this will be Bluetooth now instead of an Apple connector. This is definitely a good thing and if it can be cross-phone compatible without having to buy additional connectors, that is great.

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Posted on 10-03-10 02:18:32 AM Link | Quote
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I'm not really sure that is a good thing. You still have to have a different model to fit each phone, no? Bluetooth is a horribly broken and unreliable protocol, and I'd be somewhat uncomfortable trusting it with a game controller. Wii does it well (though I understand Wii doesn't use standard Bluetooth?) but it's doing it with all their own parts, on a machine designed for it, without any real operating system to get in the way. Every other Bluetooth device I've used has been just terrible - horrid signal strength, stupidity with PINs and incompatibility everywhere. Then you have battery life, interference, and latency to worry about.

Wireless controllers are nice, but I'd much prefer a physical connection for something that's already physically clamped onto the device. Unless they are somehow making a model that fits more than just iDevices such that using the Apple connector wouldn't work nicely, this seems like a dumb idea.

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Posted on 10-03-10 03:33:32 PM (last edited by Maxwell at 10-03-10 12:33 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Supakitsune
It'd only really be useful for emulators,

I say this, yet if your willing to by something like this, why not just buy a PSP or a Dingo and get the same emulator and a bit more.

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Posted on 10-04-10 04:40:48 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Maxwell

I say this, yet if your willing to by something like this, why not just buy a PSP or a Dingo and get the same emulator and a bit more.

Some people don't like having 3-4 devices to play different things. I'd rather just have one to do it all. Which is why I got an iPhone for the variety if apps available through Apple and the jailbreak apps.

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Posted on 10-04-10 08:18:14 AM Link | Quote
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Also, at the moment, mobile phones or Pandoras are pretty much the only things which can reasonably play PS1 or N64 games portably, as well as acceptable SNES emulation (I know PSP and dingoo can do it, but not some more intensive games.).

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Posted on 10-08-10 04:41:31 AM (last edited by Rena at 10-08-10 01:42 AM) Link | Quote
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Yeah, I carry a DS and PSP around already, but the PSP is used pretty much only for emulators and it'd be nice to have a phone that could replace it. One less expensive thing to carry around.

Hell I'd like if it could replace both, but I'd have to transfer my saves off the DS carts. (I don't play enough to even bother with a flash cart...)

(Also last I checked SNES emulation on PSP still sucks. )

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Yeah, I imagine PSP just isn't fast enough for reasonable SNES emulation to the level we have on PCs. The early zsnes versions that could run on 333Mhz PCs at 100% speed and 60 FPS didn't have fantastic compatibility, so something that's just a snes9x port, which is a rather compatible emulator probably will never get full speed and frame rate as well as being able to run games with minimal to no bugginess, especially more crazy games or games with special chips. What might be possible is an emulator completely from scratch that doesn't really strive for great compatibility but something better than we have as far as speed to compatibility balance like zsnes was back in the day. The gains wouldn't be worth it, anymore, though. Maybe early on when homebrew was just becoming possible on the PSP and it still had a long future, but now it's just far behind and there are many competitively priced handhelds that can play SNES games rather well, like the cortex-a8 based ipod touch or iphone or droid 1, all which can be bought for really cheap, and have controller adapters for (I suppose even this one, though I don't know about emulator compatibility; I imagine the "zodttd" ones work/will work with it, since he's kinda involved in that community.).

I was shocked that the bike race scene in chrono trigger worked as well as it did in snemul DS, though, but mode 7 is hardware accelerated on that, I guess, but most stuff on that emulator either didn't work at all or was severely broken, even super mario world couldn't be reasonably completed (Most bosses didn't work.).

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Posted on 10-08-10 10:05:27 AM Link | Quote
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Mhm, but little-known is the fact that PSP has a second up-to-333mhz CPU normally reserved for decoding audio and video and I think networking code as well. I think Snes9x uses it for SPC and expansion chips.

I think the biggest issue is emulating the SNES's excessively capable GPU, but come on, with that much processing power?

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